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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: william.c.roberts@intel.com
Cc: jason@lakedaemon.net, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	keescook@chromium.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	nnk@google.com, jeffv@google.com, salyzyn@android.com,
	dcashman@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Introduce mmap randomization
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:22:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160814162226.GA7583@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1469557346-5534-2-git-send-email-william.c.roberts@intel.com>

On Tue 2016-07-26 11:22:26, william.c.roberts@intel.com wrote:
> From: William Roberts <william.c.roberts@intel.com>
> 
> This patch introduces the ability randomize mmap locations where the
> address is not requested, for instance when ld is allocating pages for
> shared libraries. It chooses to randomize based on the current
> personality for ASLR.
> 
> Currently, allocations are done sequentially within unmapped address
> space gaps. This may happen top down or bottom up depending on scheme.
> 
> For instance these mmap calls produce contiguous mappings:
> int size = getpagesize();
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40026000
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40027000
> 
> Note no gap between.
> 
> After patches:
> int size = getpagesize();
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x400b4000
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40055000
> 
> Note gap between.

Ok, I guess you can do it... but... what will be the effect on
available address space for a process? By doing this, won't you
fragment it horribly? This might be nasty on 32-bit systems...

Best regards,
								Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: william.c.roberts@intel.com
Cc: jason@lakedaemon.net, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	keescook@chromium.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	nnk@google.com, jeffv@google.com, salyzyn@android.com,
	dcashman@android.com
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH] [RFC] Introduce mmap randomization
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:22:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160814162226.GA7583@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1469557346-5534-2-git-send-email-william.c.roberts@intel.com>

On Tue 2016-07-26 11:22:26, william.c.roberts@intel.com wrote:
> From: William Roberts <william.c.roberts@intel.com>
> 
> This patch introduces the ability randomize mmap locations where the
> address is not requested, for instance when ld is allocating pages for
> shared libraries. It chooses to randomize based on the current
> personality for ASLR.
> 
> Currently, allocations are done sequentially within unmapped address
> space gaps. This may happen top down or bottom up depending on scheme.
> 
> For instance these mmap calls produce contiguous mappings:
> int size = getpagesize();
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40026000
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40027000
> 
> Note no gap between.
> 
> After patches:
> int size = getpagesize();
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x400b4000
> mmap(NULL, size, flags, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40055000
> 
> Note gap between.

Ok, I guess you can do it... but... what will be the effect on
available address space for a process? By doing this, won't you
fragment it horribly? This might be nasty on 32-bit systems...

Best regards,
								Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-14 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-26 18:22 [PATCH] [RFC] Introduce mmap randomization william.c.roberts
2016-07-26 18:22 ` [kernel-hardening] " william.c.roberts
2016-07-26 18:22 ` william.c.roberts
2016-07-26 18:22   ` [kernel-hardening] " william.c.roberts
2016-07-26 20:03   ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 20:03     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 20:11     ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:11       ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:13     ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:13       ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:13       ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:59       ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 20:59         ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 20:59         ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 21:06         ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 21:06           ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 21:06           ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 21:44           ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 21:44             ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 21:44             ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-26 23:51             ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-26 23:51               ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Hansen
2016-07-26 23:51               ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-02 17:17             ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 17:17               ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 17:17               ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-03 18:19               ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-03 18:19                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-08-03 18:19                 ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 17:15           ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 17:15             ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 17:15             ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-27 16:59         ` Nick Kralevich
2016-07-27 16:59           ` [kernel-hardening] " Nick Kralevich
2016-07-27 16:59           ` Nick Kralevich
2016-07-28 21:07           ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-28 21:07             ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason Cooper
2016-07-28 21:07             ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-29 10:10             ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2016-07-31 22:24               ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-31 22:24                 ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-01  0:24                 ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-02 16:57           ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 16:57             ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 16:57             ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-02 17:02             ` Nick Kralevich
2016-08-02 17:02               ` [kernel-hardening] " Nick Kralevich
2016-08-02 17:02               ` Nick Kralevich
2016-08-14 16:31           ` Pavel Machek 1
2016-08-14 16:31             ` [kernel-hardening] " Pavel Machek 1
2016-08-14 16:31             ` Pavel Machek 1
2016-07-26 20:12   ` [kernel-hardening] " Rik van Riel
2016-07-26 20:17     ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:17       ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:17       ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:41   ` Nick Kralevich
2016-07-26 20:41     ` [kernel-hardening] " Nick Kralevich
2016-07-26 21:02     ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 21:02       ` [kernel-hardening] " Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 21:11       ` Nick Kralevich
2016-07-26 21:11         ` [kernel-hardening] " Nick Kralevich
2016-07-26 21:11         ` Nick Kralevich
2016-08-14 16:22   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2016-08-14 16:22     ` [kernel-hardening] " Pavel Machek
2016-08-04 16:53 ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2016-08-04 16:55   ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-04 16:55     ` Roberts, William C
2016-08-04 17:10     ` Daniel Micay
2016-07-26 18:27 william.c.roberts
2016-07-26 19:26 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-07-26 19:57   ` Roberts, William C
2016-07-26 20:29     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-07-26 20:35       ` Roberts, William C

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