From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Ben Peart" <peartben@gmail.com>,
"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, pclouds@gmail.com,
"Ben Peart" <benpeart@microsoft.com>,
jonathantanmy@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] index: offer advice for unknown index extensions
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:39:12 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181121003912.GC149929@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqefbf9t4j.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com>
Hi,
Junio C Hamano wrote:
> I am still puzzled by the insistence of 3/5 and this step that wants
> to kill the coalmine canary. But I am even more puzzled by the
> first two steps that want to disable the two optional extensions.
>
> What's so different this time with the new optional extensions?
>
> The other early optional extensions like cache-tree or resolve-undo
> were added unconditionally and by definition appeared much earlier
> in git-core than any other Git reimplementations. Everbody who
> recorded the fact that s/he resolved merge conflicts got REUC, and
> we would have given warning when an older Git did not understand
> these extensions [*1*]. We knudged users to more modern Git by
> preparing the old Gits to warn when there are unknown extensions,
> either by upgrading their Git themselves, or by bugging their
> toolsmiths. Nobody complained to propose to rip the messages like
> this round. This series has a strong smell of pushing back by the
> toolsmiths who refuse to promptly upgrade to help their users, and
> that is why I do not feel entirely happy with this series.
I acknowledge your puzzlement. I'm not sure what to do about it.
There are a few significant differences from the REUC case:
1. This happens whenever the index is refreshed. REUC, as you
mentioned, only affected resolutions of conflicted merges. So
users ran into it less often.
2. I never ran into the REUC case. If I had, I would have sent the
same patch then.
3. Time has passed and people's standards may have gone up.
I wish I had been around when the message was added in the first
place, so that I could have provided the same feedback about the
message then. But I do not think that that should be held against me.
I'm describing a real user problem.
Are the commit messages unclear? Is there some missing use case that
this version of the patch misses?
I don't *think* you intend to say "sure, you got user reports, but
(those users are wrong | those users are not real | you are not
interpreting those users correctly)", but that is what I am hearing.
On the other hand, I don't want to discourage useful review feedback,
and I think adding the advise() call was a real improvement. I'm just
getting confused about why I am still not being heard.
Jonathan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-21 0:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-23 15:41 [PATCH v1] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-08-23 17:31 ` Stefan Beller
2018-08-23 19:44 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 18:40 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-28 14:53 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-23 18:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-23 20:33 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 15:37 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 15:57 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 17:28 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-25 6:44 ` [PATCH] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-27 19:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-28 19:25 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-28 23:54 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-04 16:08 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-02 13:19 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-09-02 13:19 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] read-cache.c: " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-09-04 18:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-04 19:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-24 18:20 ` [PATCH v1] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 18:40 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 19:00 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 19:57 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Ben Peart
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-29 21:35 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-03 19:16 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] read-cache: load cache extensions on worker thread Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:12 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-29 21:42 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 22:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-03 19:21 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-03 19:27 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] read-cache: micro-optimize expand_name_field() to speed up V4 index parsing Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] read-cache: optimize expand_name_field() to speed up V4 index parsing Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-07 17:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 20:23 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 6:29 ` Martin Ågren
2018-09-08 14:03 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 17:08 ` Martin Ågren
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-07 21:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-08 14:56 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-07 4:16 ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-09-07 13:43 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-07 17:21 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 18:31 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 13:18 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] " Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-12 14:34 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 " Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 1/5] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-13 22:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-15 10:02 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 14:54 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-17 16:05 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-17 17:38 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 19:08 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 2/5] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-15 10:22 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-15 10:24 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 16:38 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 16:23 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-17 16:26 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-17 16:45 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 21:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 3/5] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-09-15 10:31 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:25 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 11:07 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-15 11:09 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 18:52 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 11:29 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 4/5] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 5/5] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-28 0:19 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-28 18:38 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-29 0:51 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-29 5:45 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-29 18:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-09-28 0:26 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-28 13:39 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-28 17:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-28 19:41 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-28 20:30 ` Ramsay Jones
2018-09-28 22:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-01 13:17 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:06 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-09-26 22:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Junio C Hamano
2018-09-27 17:13 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 " Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:10 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:17 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-02 14:34 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:30 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 15:13 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:50 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 15:00 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-01 16:27 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 16:34 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-02 17:02 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-10-01 17:09 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 19:09 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-10-19 16:11 ` Jeff King
2018-10-22 2:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-22 14:40 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-12 3:18 ` [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Junio C Hamano
2018-10-14 12:28 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-15 17:33 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 0:38 ` [PATCH 0/3] Avoid confusing messages from new index extensions (Re: [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization) Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 0:39 ` [PATCH 1/3] eoie: default to not writing EOIE section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 1:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 15:14 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 18:25 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14 1:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-15 0:19 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 0:39 ` [PATCH 2/3] ieot: default to not writing IEOT section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 0:58 ` Jonathan Tan
2018-11-13 1:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 1:12 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 15:37 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-13 18:09 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 15:22 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 18:18 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 19:15 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 21:08 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14 18:09 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-15 0:05 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14 3:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 6:09 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Avoid confusing messages from new index extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 6:11 ` [PATCH 1/5] eoie: default to not writing EOIE section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:06 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20 13:21 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-21 16:46 ` Jeff King
2018-11-22 0:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 15:01 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20 6:12 ` [PATCH 2/5] ieot: default to not writing IEOT section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:07 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-26 19:59 ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-26 21:47 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-26 22:02 ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-27 0:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 6:12 ` [PATCH 3/5] index: do not warn about unrecognized extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 6:14 ` [PATCH 4/5] index: make index.threads=true enable ieot and eoie Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:24 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20 6:15 ` [PATCH 5/5] index: offer advice for unknown index extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 9:26 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 13:30 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-21 0:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 0:39 ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2018-11-21 0:44 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 5:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 5:04 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 5:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 5:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 1:03 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 4:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 4:57 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 9:30 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-13 0:40 ` [PATCH 3/3] index: do not warn about unrecognized extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 1:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 15:25 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-14 3:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-14 18:19 ` Ben Peart
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