From: Ben Peart <peartben@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, pclouds@gmail.com,
Ben Peart <benpeart@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] index: do not warn about unrecognized extensions
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:19:31 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <70f48153-fedf-4b82-780b-eca08981a8eb@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqh8gkqr2l.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com>
On 11/13/2018 10:24 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> We cannot change the past, but for index extensions of the future,
>> there is a straightforward improvement: silence that message except
>> when tracing. This way, the message is still available when
>> debugging, but in everyday use it does not show up so (once most Git
>> users have this patch) we can turn on new optional extensions right
>> away without alarming people.
>
> That argument ignores the "let the users know they are using a stale
> version when they did use (either by accident or deliberately) a
> more recent one" value, though.
>
> Even if we consider that this is only for debugging, I am not sure
> if tracing is the right place to add. As long as the "optional
> extensions can be ignored without affecting the correctness" rule
> holds, there is nothing gained by letting these messages shown for
> debugging purposes
Having recently written a couple of patches that utilize an optional
extension - I actually found the warning to be a helpful debugging tool
and would like to see them enabled via tracing. It would also be
helpful to see the opposite - I'm looking for an optional extension but
it is missing.
The most common scenario was when I'd be testing my changes in different
repos and forget that I needed to force an updated index to be written
that contained the extension I was trying to test. The "silently ignore
the optional extension" behavior is good for end users but as a
developer, I'd like to be able to have it yell at me via tracing. :-)
IMHO - if an end user has to turn on tracing, I view that as a failure
on our part. No end user should have to understand the inner workings
of git to be able to use it effectively.
and if there is such a bug (e.g. we introduced
> an optional extension but the code that wrote an index with an
> optional extension wrote the non-optional part in such a way that it
> cannot be correctly handled without the extension that is supposed
> to be optional) we'd probably want to let users notice without
> having to explicitly go into a debugging session. If Googling for
> "ignoring FNCY ext" gives "discard your index with 'reset HEAD',
> because an index file with FNCY ext cannot be read without
> understanding it", that may prevent damages from happening in the
> first place. On the other hand, hiding it behind tracing would mean
> the user first need to exprience an unknown breakage first and then
> has to enable tracing among other 47 different things to diagnose
> and drill down to the root cause.
>
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-14 18:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-23 15:41 [PATCH v1] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-08-23 17:31 ` Stefan Beller
2018-08-23 19:44 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 18:40 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-28 14:53 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-23 18:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-23 20:33 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 15:37 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 15:57 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 17:28 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-25 6:44 ` [PATCH] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-27 19:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-28 19:25 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-28 23:54 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-04 16:08 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-02 13:19 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-09-02 13:19 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] read-cache.c: " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-09-04 18:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-04 19:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-24 18:20 ` [PATCH v1] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 18:40 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-24 19:00 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-24 19:57 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Ben Peart
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-29 21:35 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-03 19:16 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] read-cache: load cache extensions on worker thread Ben Peart
2018-08-29 17:12 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-29 21:42 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-29 22:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-03 19:21 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-03 19:27 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-29 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] read-cache: micro-optimize expand_name_field() to speed up V4 index parsing Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] read-cache: optimize expand_name_field() to speed up V4 index parsing Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-07 17:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 20:23 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 6:29 ` Martin Ågren
2018-09-08 14:03 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 17:08 ` Martin Ågren
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-07 21:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-08 14:56 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-06 21:03 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-07 4:16 ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-09-07 13:43 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-07 17:21 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 18:31 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-08 13:18 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] " Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-11 23:26 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-12 14:34 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] read-cache: speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 " Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 1/5] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-13 22:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-15 10:02 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 14:54 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-17 16:05 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-17 17:38 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 19:08 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 2/5] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-15 10:22 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-15 10:24 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 16:38 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 16:23 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-17 16:26 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-17 16:45 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 21:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 3/5] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-09-15 10:31 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 17:25 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 11:07 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-15 11:09 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 18:52 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-15 11:29 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 4/5] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-12 16:18 ` [PATCH v5 5/5] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-28 0:19 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-28 18:38 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-29 0:51 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-29 5:45 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-29 18:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-09-28 0:26 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-28 13:39 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-28 17:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-28 19:41 ` Ben Peart
2018-09-28 20:30 ` Ramsay Jones
2018-09-28 22:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-01 13:17 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:06 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-09-26 19:54 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-09-26 22:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Junio C Hamano
2018-09-27 17:13 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 " Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:10 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:17 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-02 14:34 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:30 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 15:13 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-10-01 15:50 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 15:00 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-01 16:27 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 16:34 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-02 17:02 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-01 13:45 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-10-01 17:09 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-02 19:09 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 1/7] read-cache.c: optimize reading index format v4 Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 2/7] read-cache: clean up casting and byte decoding Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 3/7] eoie: add End of Index Entry (EOIE) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 4/7] config: add new index.threads config setting Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 5/7] read-cache: load cache extensions on a worker thread Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 6/7] ieot: add Index Entry Offset Table (IEOT) extension Ben Peart
2018-10-10 15:59 ` [PATCH v8 7/7] read-cache: load cache entries on worker threads Ben Peart
2018-10-19 16:11 ` Jeff King
2018-10-22 2:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-22 14:40 ` Ben Peart
2018-10-12 3:18 ` [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization Junio C Hamano
2018-10-14 12:28 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-10-15 17:33 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 0:38 ` [PATCH 0/3] Avoid confusing messages from new index extensions (Re: [PATCH v8 0/7] speed up index load through parallelization) Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 0:39 ` [PATCH 1/3] eoie: default to not writing EOIE section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 1:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 15:14 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 18:25 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14 1:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-15 0:19 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 0:39 ` [PATCH 2/3] ieot: default to not writing IEOT section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 0:58 ` Jonathan Tan
2018-11-13 1:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 1:12 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 15:37 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-13 18:09 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 15:22 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 18:18 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 19:15 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-13 21:08 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14 18:09 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-15 0:05 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-14 3:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 6:09 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Avoid confusing messages from new index extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 6:11 ` [PATCH 1/5] eoie: default to not writing EOIE section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:06 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20 13:21 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-21 16:46 ` Jeff King
2018-11-22 0:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 15:01 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20 6:12 ` [PATCH 2/5] ieot: default to not writing IEOT section Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:07 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-26 19:59 ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-26 21:47 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-26 22:02 ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-27 0:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 6:12 ` [PATCH 3/5] index: do not warn about unrecognized extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 6:14 ` [PATCH 4/5] index: make index.threads=true enable ieot and eoie Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 13:24 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-20 6:15 ` [PATCH 5/5] index: offer advice for unknown index extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-20 9:26 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 13:30 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-21 0:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 0:39 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 0:44 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 5:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 5:04 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 5:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 5:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 1:03 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 4:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 4:57 ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-21 9:30 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-13 0:40 ` [PATCH 3/3] index: do not warn about unrecognized extensions Jonathan Nieder
2018-11-13 1:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 15:25 ` Ben Peart
2018-11-14 3:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-14 18:19 ` Ben Peart [this message]
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