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From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
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	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/9] efi/libstub: Remove .note.gnu.property
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:26:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200624162657.GG25945@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200624152646.GA6768@willie-the-truck>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 04:26:46PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 02:48:55PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:26:47PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:46:32PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > For the kernel Image, how do we remove these sections? The objcopy flags
> > > > > in arch/arm64/boot/Makefile look both insufficient and out of date. My
> > > > > vmlinux ends up with both a ".notes" and a ".init.note.gnu.property"
> > > > > segment.
> > > > 
> > > > The latter is the fault of the libstub make rules, that prepend .init
> > > > to all section names.
> > > 
> > > Hmm. I tried adding -mbranch-protection=none to arm64 cflags for the stub,
> > > but I still see this note in vmlinux. It looks like it comes in via the
> > > stub copy of lib-ctype.o, but I don't know why that would force the
> > > note. The cflags look ok to me [1] and I confirmed that the note is
> > > being generated by the compiler.
> > > 
> > > > I'm not sure if there is a point to having PAC and/or BTI in the EFI
> > > > stub, given that it runs under the control of the firmware, with its
> > > > memory mappings and PAC configuration etc.
> > > 
> > > Agreed, I just can't figure out how to get rid of the note.
> > 
> > Because this section is generated by the linker itself I think you might
> > have to send it to /DISCARD/ in the link, or strip it explicitly after
> > linking.
> 
> Right, but why is the linker generating that section in the first place? I'm
> compiling with -mbranch-protection=none and all the other objects linked
> into the stub do not have the section.
> 
> I wonder if it's because lib/ctype.c doesn't have any executable code...

What compiler and flags are you using for the affected object?  I don't
see this with gcc so far.

I wonder if this is a hole in the specs: the property could logically
be emitted in any codeless object, since turning on BTI will obviously
not break that object.

For different linkers and compilers to interoperate though, the specs
would need to say what to do in that situation.

Cheers
---Dave



> 
> Will
> 
> _______________________________________________
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fangrui Song <maskray@google.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>,
	Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@go>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/9] efi/libstub: Remove .note.gnu.property
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:26:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200624162657.GG25945@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200624152646.GA6768@willie-the-truck>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 04:26:46PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 02:48:55PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:26:47PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:46:32PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > For the kernel Image, how do we remove these sections? The objcopy flags
> > > > > in arch/arm64/boot/Makefile look both insufficient and out of date. My
> > > > > vmlinux ends up with both a ".notes" and a ".init.note.gnu.property"
> > > > > segment.
> > > > 
> > > > The latter is the fault of the libstub make rules, that prepend .init
> > > > to all section names.
> > > 
> > > Hmm. I tried adding -mbranch-protection=none to arm64 cflags for the stub,
> > > but I still see this note in vmlinux. It looks like it comes in via the
> > > stub copy of lib-ctype.o, but I don't know why that would force the
> > > note. The cflags look ok to me [1] and I confirmed that the note is
> > > being generated by the compiler.
> > > 
> > > > I'm not sure if there is a point to having PAC and/or BTI in the EFI
> > > > stub, given that it runs under the control of the firmware, with its
> > > > memory mappings and PAC configuration etc.
> > > 
> > > Agreed, I just can't figure out how to get rid of the note.
> > 
> > Because this section is generated by the linker itself I think you might
> > have to send it to /DISCARD/ in the link, or strip it explicitly after
> > linking.
> 
> Right, but why is the linker generating that section in the first place? I'm
> compiling with -mbranch-protection=none and all the other objects linked
> into the stub do not have the section.
> 
> I wonder if it's because lib/ctype.c doesn't have any executable code...

What compiler and flags are you using for the affected object?  I don't
see this with gcc so far.

I wonder if this is a hole in the specs: the property could logically
be emitted in any codeless object, since turning on BTI will obviously
not break that object.

For different linkers and compilers to interoperate though, the specs
would need to say what to do in that situation.

Cheers
---Dave



> 
> Will
> 
> _______________________________________________
> linux-arm-kernel mailing list
> linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fangrui Song <maskray@google.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>,
	Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/9] efi/libstub: Remove .note.gnu.property
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:26:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200624162657.GG25945@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200624152646.GA6768@willie-the-truck>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 04:26:46PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 02:48:55PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:26:47PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:46:32PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > For the kernel Image, how do we remove these sections? The objcopy flags
> > > > > in arch/arm64/boot/Makefile look both insufficient and out of date. My
> > > > > vmlinux ends up with both a ".notes" and a ".init.note.gnu.property"
> > > > > segment.
> > > > 
> > > > The latter is the fault of the libstub make rules, that prepend .init
> > > > to all section names.
> > > 
> > > Hmm. I tried adding -mbranch-protection=none to arm64 cflags for the stub,
> > > but I still see this note in vmlinux. It looks like it comes in via the
> > > stub copy of lib-ctype.o, but I don't know why that would force the
> > > note. The cflags look ok to me [1] and I confirmed that the note is
> > > being generated by the compiler.
> > > 
> > > > I'm not sure if there is a point to having PAC and/or BTI in the EFI
> > > > stub, given that it runs under the control of the firmware, with its
> > > > memory mappings and PAC configuration etc.
> > > 
> > > Agreed, I just can't figure out how to get rid of the note.
> > 
> > Because this section is generated by the linker itself I think you might
> > have to send it to /DISCARD/ in the link, or strip it explicitly after
> > linking.
> 
> Right, but why is the linker generating that section in the first place? I'm
> compiling with -mbranch-protection=none and all the other objects linked
> into the stub do not have the section.
> 
> I wonder if it's because lib/ctype.c doesn't have any executable code...

What compiler and flags are you using for the affected object?  I don't
see this with gcc so far.

I wonder if this is a hole in the specs: the property could logically
be emitted in any codeless object, since turning on BTI will obviously
not break that object.

For different linkers and compilers to interoperate though, the specs
would need to say what to do in that situation.

Cheers
---Dave



> 
> Will
> 
> _______________________________________________
> linux-arm-kernel mailing list
> linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-24 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-24  1:49 [PATCH v3 0/9] Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 1/9] vmlinux.lds.h: Add .gnu.version* to DISCARDS Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 2/9] vmlinux.lds.h: Add .symtab, .strtab, and .shstrtab to STABS_DEBUG Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:39   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 15:39     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 15:39     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 16:16     ` Fangrui Song
2020-06-24 16:16       ` Fangrui Song
2020-06-24 17:11       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 17:11         ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 17:11         ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 17:26         ` Fangrui Song
2020-06-24 17:26           ` Fangrui Song
2020-06-24 17:35           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 17:35             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24 17:35             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 3/9] efi/libstub: Remove .note.gnu.property Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  3:31   ` Fangrui Song
2020-06-24  3:31     ` Fangrui Song
2020-06-24  4:44     ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  4:44       ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 10:43       ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 10:43         ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 10:46         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 10:46           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 10:46           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 11:26           ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 11:26             ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 11:26             ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 13:48             ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 13:48               ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 13:48               ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 15:26               ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 15:26                 ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 15:26                 ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 16:26                 ` Dave Martin [this message]
2020-06-24 16:26                   ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 16:26                   ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 15:21           ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:21             ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:21             ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:31             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 15:31               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 15:31               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 15:45               ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:45                 ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:45                 ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:48                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 15:48                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 15:48                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 16:29                   ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 16:29                     ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 16:29                     ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 16:40                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 16:40                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 16:40                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 17:16                       ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 17:16                         ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 17:16                         ` Dave Martin
2020-06-24 18:23                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 18:23                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 18:23                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 18:57                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 18:57                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24 18:57                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 4/9] x86/build: Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 18:36   ` kernel test robot
2020-06-27 15:44     ` Kees Cook
2020-06-27 15:44       ` Kees Cook
2020-06-29 14:54       ` Marco Elver
2020-06-29 14:54         ` Marco Elver
2020-06-29 15:26         ` Kees Cook
2020-06-29 15:26           ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 5/9] x86/boot: " Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 6/9] arm/build: " Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 7/9] arm/boot: " Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 8/9] arm64/build: Use common DISCARDS in linker script Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49 ` [PATCH v3 9/9] arm64/build: Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-06-24  1:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24  7:57   ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24  7:57     ` Will Deacon
2020-06-24 15:36     ` Kees Cook
2020-06-24 15:36       ` Kees Cook

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