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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Pingfan Liu <kernelfans@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Julien Thierry <julien.thierry@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Yuichi Ito <ito-yuichi@fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 1/5] arm64/entry-common: push the judgement of nmi ahead
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:32:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210930133257.GB18258@lakrids.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YU9Cy9kTew4ySeGZ@piliu.users.ipa.redhat.com>

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 11:39:55PM +0800, Pingfan Liu wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 06:53:06PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 09:28:33PM +0800, Pingfan Liu wrote:
> > > In enter_el1_irq_or_nmi(), it can be the case which NMI interrupts an
> > > irq, which makes the condition !interrupts_enabled(regs) fail to detect
> > > the NMI. This will cause a mistaken account for irq.
> > 
> Sorry about the confusing word "account", it should be "lockdep/rcu/.."
> 
> > Can you please explain this in more detail? It's not clear which
> > specific case you mean when you say "NMI interrupts an irq", as that
> > could mean a number of distinct scenarios.
> > 
> > AFAICT, if we're in an IRQ handler (with NMIs unmasked), and an NMI
> > causes a new exception we'll do the right thing. So either I'm missing a
> > subtlety or you're describing a different scenario..
> > 
> > Note that the entry code is only trying to distinguish between:
> > 
> > a) This exception is *definitely* an NMI (because regular interrupts
> >    were masked).
> > 
> > b) This exception is *either* and IRQ or an NMI (and this *cannot* be
> >    distinguished until we acknowledge the interrupt), so we treat it as
> >    an IRQ for now.
> > 
> b) is the aim.
> 
> At the entry, enter_el1_irq_or_nmi() -> enter_from_kernel_mode()->rcu_irq_enter()/rcu_irq_enter_check_tick() etc.
> While at irqchip level, gic_handle_irq()->gic_handle_nmi()->nmi_enter(),
> which does not call rcu_irq_enter_check_tick(). So it is not proper to
> "treat it as an IRQ for now"

I'm struggling to understand the problem here. What is "not proper", and
why?

Do you think there's a correctness problem, or that we're doing more
work than necessary? 

If you could give a specific example of a problem, it would really help.

I'm aware that we do more work than strictly necessary when we take a
pNMI from a context with IRQs enabled, but that's how we'd intended this
to work, as it's vastly simpler to manage the state that way. Unless
there's a real problem with that approach I'd prefer to leave it as-is.

Thanks,
Mark.

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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Pingfan Liu <kernelfans@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Julien Thierry <julien.thierry@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Yuichi Ito <ito-yuichi@fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 1/5] arm64/entry-common: push the judgement of nmi ahead
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:32:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210930133257.GB18258@lakrids.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YU9Cy9kTew4ySeGZ@piliu.users.ipa.redhat.com>

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 11:39:55PM +0800, Pingfan Liu wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 06:53:06PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 09:28:33PM +0800, Pingfan Liu wrote:
> > > In enter_el1_irq_or_nmi(), it can be the case which NMI interrupts an
> > > irq, which makes the condition !interrupts_enabled(regs) fail to detect
> > > the NMI. This will cause a mistaken account for irq.
> > 
> Sorry about the confusing word "account", it should be "lockdep/rcu/.."
> 
> > Can you please explain this in more detail? It's not clear which
> > specific case you mean when you say "NMI interrupts an irq", as that
> > could mean a number of distinct scenarios.
> > 
> > AFAICT, if we're in an IRQ handler (with NMIs unmasked), and an NMI
> > causes a new exception we'll do the right thing. So either I'm missing a
> > subtlety or you're describing a different scenario..
> > 
> > Note that the entry code is only trying to distinguish between:
> > 
> > a) This exception is *definitely* an NMI (because regular interrupts
> >    were masked).
> > 
> > b) This exception is *either* and IRQ or an NMI (and this *cannot* be
> >    distinguished until we acknowledge the interrupt), so we treat it as
> >    an IRQ for now.
> > 
> b) is the aim.
> 
> At the entry, enter_el1_irq_or_nmi() -> enter_from_kernel_mode()->rcu_irq_enter()/rcu_irq_enter_check_tick() etc.
> While at irqchip level, gic_handle_irq()->gic_handle_nmi()->nmi_enter(),
> which does not call rcu_irq_enter_check_tick(). So it is not proper to
> "treat it as an IRQ for now"

I'm struggling to understand the problem here. What is "not proper", and
why?

Do you think there's a correctness problem, or that we're doing more
work than necessary? 

If you could give a specific example of a problem, it would really help.

I'm aware that we do more work than strictly necessary when we take a
pNMI from a context with IRQs enabled, but that's how we'd intended this
to work, as it's vastly simpler to manage the state that way. Unless
there's a real problem with that approach I'd prefer to leave it as-is.

Thanks,
Mark.

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Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-24 13:28 [PATCHv2 0/5] arm64/irqentry: remove duplicate housekeeping of Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28 ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28 ` [PATCHv2 1/5] arm64/entry-common: push the judgement of nmi ahead Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28   ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 17:53   ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-24 17:53     ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-25 15:39     ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-25 15:39       ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-30 13:32       ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2021-09-30 13:32         ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-08  4:01         ` Pingfan Liu
2021-10-08  4:01           ` Pingfan Liu
2021-10-08 14:55           ` Pingfan Liu
2021-10-08 14:55             ` Pingfan Liu
2021-10-08 17:25             ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-08 17:25               ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-09  3:49               ` Pingfan Liu
2021-10-09  3:49                 ` Pingfan Liu
2021-10-08 15:45           ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-10-08 15:45             ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-10-09  4:14             ` Pingfan Liu
2021-10-09  4:14               ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28 ` [PATCHv2 2/5] irqchip/GICv3: expose handle_nmi() directly Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28   ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28 ` [PATCHv2 3/5] kernel/irq: make irq_{enter,exit}() in handle_domain_irq() arch optional Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28   ` [PATCHv2 3/5] kernel/irq: make irq_{enter, exit}() " Pingfan Liu
2021-09-28  8:55   ` [PATCHv2 3/5] kernel/irq: make irq_{enter,exit}() " Mark Rutland
2021-09-28  8:55     ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-29  3:15     ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29  3:15       ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28 ` [PATCHv2 4/5] irqchip/GICv3: let gic_handle_irq() utilize irqentry on arm64 Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28   ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-28  9:10   ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28  9:10     ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-29  3:10     ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29  3:10       ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29  7:20       ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-29  7:20         ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-29  8:27         ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29  8:27           ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29  9:23           ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-29  9:23             ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-29 11:40             ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29 11:40               ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29 14:29             ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29 14:29               ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29 17:41               ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-29 17:41                 ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-24 13:28 ` [PATCHv2 5/5] irqchip/GICv3: make reschedule-ipi light weight Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 13:28   ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29  7:24   ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-29  7:24     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-29  8:32     ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-29  8:32       ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-24 17:36 ` [PATCHv2 0/5] arm64/irqentry: remove duplicate housekeeping of Mark Rutland
2021-09-24 17:36   ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-24 22:59   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-24 22:59     ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-27  9:23     ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-27  9:23       ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28  0:09       ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-28  0:09         ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-28  8:32         ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28  8:32           ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28  8:35           ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28  8:35             ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28  9:52           ` Sven Schnelle
2021-09-28  9:52             ` Sven Schnelle
2021-09-28 10:26             ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28 10:26               ` Mark Rutland
2021-09-28 13:55           ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-28 13:55             ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-25 15:12   ` Pingfan Liu
2021-09-25 15:12     ` Pingfan Liu

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