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From: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter@ml01.01.org, "Erwin  <erwin.tsaur@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] x86/memcpy: Introduce memcpy_mcsafe_fast
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:45:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3908561D78D1C84285E8C5FCA982C28F7F5FB1C0@ORSMSX115.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whNL-P71xQRsahpYrzKquvz3WwqPCUVPT+1TUmWZ+67TQ@mail.gmail.com>

> By "asynchronous" I don't mean "hours later".
>
> Make it be "interrupts are enabled, before serializing instruction".
>
> Yes, we want bounded error handling latency. But that doesn't mean "synchronous"

Another X86 vendor seems to be adding something like that. See MCOMMIT
in https://www.amd.com/system/files/TechDocs/24594.pdf

But I wonder how an OS will know whether it is running some smart
MCOMMIT-aware application that can figure out what to do with bad
data, or a legacy application that should probably be stopped before
it hurts somebody.

I also wonder how expensive MCOMMIT is (since it is essentially
polling for "did any errors happen").

-Tony
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From: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Tsaur, Erwin" <erwin.tsaur@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] x86/memcpy: Introduce memcpy_mcsafe_fast
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:45:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3908561D78D1C84285E8C5FCA982C28F7F5FB1C0@ORSMSX115.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whNL-P71xQRsahpYrzKquvz3WwqPCUVPT+1TUmWZ+67TQ@mail.gmail.com>

> By "asynchronous" I don't mean "hours later".
>
> Make it be "interrupts are enabled, before serializing instruction".
>
> Yes, we want bounded error handling latency. But that doesn't mean "synchronous"

Another X86 vendor seems to be adding something like that. See MCOMMIT
in https://www.amd.com/system/files/TechDocs/24594.pdf

But I wonder how an OS will know whether it is running some smart
MCOMMIT-aware application that can figure out what to do with bad
data, or a legacy application that should probably be stopped before
it hurts somebody.

I also wonder how expensive MCOMMIT is (since it is essentially
polling for "did any errors happen").

-Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-20 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-18 20:30 [PATCH] x86/memcpy: Introduce memcpy_mcsafe_fast Andy Lutomirski
2020-04-18 20:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-04-18 20:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-18 20:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20  5:08   ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20  5:08     ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20 17:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 17:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 18:20       ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20 18:20         ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20 19:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 19:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 19:29           ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20 19:29             ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20 20:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:23               ` Luck, Tony
2020-04-20 20:23                 ` Luck, Tony
2020-04-20 20:27                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:27                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:45                   ` Luck, Tony [this message]
2020-04-20 20:45                     ` Luck, Tony
2020-04-20 20:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:56                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:24               ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20 20:24                 ` Dan Williams
2020-04-20 20:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 20:57                   ` Luck, Tony
2020-04-20 20:57                     ` Luck, Tony
2020-04-20 21:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-20 21:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-10-06  9:57       ` [tip: ras/core] x86, powerpc: Rename memcpy_mcsafe() to copy_mc_to_{user, kernel}() tip-bot2 for Dan Williams
2020-10-07 11:14         ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-07 16:45           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-07 17:03             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-07 18:53               ` Dan Williams
2020-10-07 19:25                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-08 16:59                   ` Dan Williams
2020-10-08 17:08                     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-07 17:51             ` Dan Williams
2020-10-07 18:24           ` [PATCH] x86/mce: Gate copy_mc_fragile() export by CONFIG_COPY_MC_TEST=y Dan Williams
2020-10-07 18:24             ` Dan Williams
2020-10-08  9:01           ` [tip: ras/core] x86/mce: Allow for copy_mc_fragile symbol checksum to be generated tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-04-10 17:49 [PATCH] x86/memcpy: Introduce memcpy_mcsafe_fast Dan Williams
2020-04-10 17:49 ` Dan Williams
2020-04-18  0:12 ` Dan Williams
2020-04-18  0:12   ` Dan Williams
2020-04-18 19:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-18 19:42     ` Linus Torvalds

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