From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
"linux-samsung-soc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-samsung-soc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
Ian Campbell
<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
Grant Grundler <grundler-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
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Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
Linux IOMMU
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Dave Martin <Dave.Martin-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:53:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5349895.mRr9cbXPnm@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604134400.GE28484@ulmo>
On Wednesday 04 June 2014 15:44:03 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > Well, the iommu specific binding could allow a variable #address-cells.
> > That way, you just need to know the number of stream IDs for that instance
> > of the iommu.
>
> That sounds fairly complicated to me. I don't see what that buys us over
> the clarity and simplicity that the above explicit notation gives us. Is
> it not more common for a device to have a single master rather than a
> whole bunch of them?
If I understood the problem right, the case that people want to handle
is not actually multiple masters but instead multiple IOMMU contexts, which
you can have in a GPU to handle multiple processes drawing on different
parts of the screen, or in a NIC with virtual functions assigned to KVM
guests or user processes. I don't know what the number of contexts per
device would be here, but I assume it may be large enough to become
a nuisance to list them individually.
Then again, I also don't know how IOMMUs would show those. In the cases
I've seen before, you actually have an ID for the master that is separate
from the context ID, but apparently SMMU isn't that smart.
Arnd
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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: Hiroshi Doyu <hdoyu@nvidia.com>,
Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>, Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
Cho KyongHo <pullip.cho@samsung.com>,
Grant Grundler <grundler@chromium.org>,
Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>,
Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux IOMMU <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
"linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
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<linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:53:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5349895.mRr9cbXPnm@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604134400.GE28484@ulmo>
On Wednesday 04 June 2014 15:44:03 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > Well, the iommu specific binding could allow a variable #address-cells.
> > That way, you just need to know the number of stream IDs for that instance
> > of the iommu.
>
> That sounds fairly complicated to me. I don't see what that buys us over
> the clarity and simplicity that the above explicit notation gives us. Is
> it not more common for a device to have a single master rather than a
> whole bunch of them?
If I understood the problem right, the case that people want to handle
is not actually multiple masters but instead multiple IOMMU contexts, which
you can have in a GPU to handle multiple processes drawing on different
parts of the screen, or in a NIC with virtual functions assigned to KVM
guests or user processes. I don't know what the number of contexts per
device would be here, but I assume it may be large enough to become
a nuisance to list them individually.
Then again, I also don't know how IOMMUs would show those. In the cases
I've seen before, you actually have an ID for the master that is separate
from the context ID, but apparently SMMU isn't that smart.
Arnd
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:53:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5349895.mRr9cbXPnm@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604134400.GE28484@ulmo>
On Wednesday 04 June 2014 15:44:03 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > Well, the iommu specific binding could allow a variable #address-cells.
> > That way, you just need to know the number of stream IDs for that instance
> > of the iommu.
>
> That sounds fairly complicated to me. I don't see what that buys us over
> the clarity and simplicity that the above explicit notation gives us. Is
> it not more common for a device to have a single master rather than a
> whole bunch of them?
If I understood the problem right, the case that people want to handle
is not actually multiple masters but instead multiple IOMMU contexts, which
you can have in a GPU to handle multiple processes drawing on different
parts of the screen, or in a NIC with virtual functions assigned to KVM
guests or user processes. I don't know what the number of contexts per
device would be here, but I assume it may be large enough to become
a nuisance to list them individually.
Then again, I also don't know how IOMMUs would show those. In the cases
I've seen before, you actually have an ID for the master that is separate
from the context ID, but apparently SMMU isn't that smart.
Arnd
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2014-05-23 20:33 [PATCH v2] devicetree: Add generic IOMMU device tree bindings Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <1400877218-4113-1-git-send-email-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 13:16 ` Rob Herring
2014-05-30 13:16 ` Rob Herring
2014-05-30 13:16 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <CAL_JsqKumG1PSFoVfeGpLLG+MjXFeF4aUjun=vv1BJpaxk0Byg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 19:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:29 ` Hiroshi Doyu
2014-05-30 19:29 ` Hiroshi Doyu
2014-05-30 19:29 ` Hiroshi Doyu
2014-05-30 19:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-01 9:55 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-01 9:55 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-01 9:55 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140601095546.GA8625-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 13:39 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 13:39 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 13:39 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 13:44 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 13:44 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 13:44 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 13:53 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-06-04 13:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-04 13:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-04 13:56 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-04 13:56 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-04 13:56 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140604135600.GD6644-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 14:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-04 14:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-04 14:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-04 16:39 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-04 16:39 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-04 16:39 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-30 19:31 ` Rob Herring
2014-05-30 19:31 ` Rob Herring
2014-05-30 19:31 ` Rob Herring
[not found] ` <CAL_Jsq+tkFNpjSEZboT+o69B_Z3a8e-ZVKaYDmLwtkyYoPy6VQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 19:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 10:41 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-02 10:41 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-02 10:41 ` Dave Martin
[not found] ` <20140602104104.GD3855-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 14:35 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 14:35 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 14:35 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 16:41 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-04 16:41 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-04 16:41 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140604164132.GF6644-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 21:00 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 21:00 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 21:00 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-05 19:10 ` Varun Sethi
2014-06-05 19:10 ` Varun Sethi
2014-06-05 19:10 ` Varun Sethi
2014-06-16 15:27 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-16 15:27 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-16 15:27 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140616152739.GS16758-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-16 16:56 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-16 16:56 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-16 16:56 ` Stuart Yoder
[not found] ` <8b0492b4697943a0b1f276ef42cc8223-ufbTtyGzTTT8GZusEWM6WuO6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-16 17:04 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-16 17:04 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-16 17:04 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140616170416.GA16758-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-16 17:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-16 17:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-16 17:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-16 18:53 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-16 18:53 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-16 18:53 ` Stuart Yoder
[not found] ` <419e67f783524d208ab3be16bcd94bd9-ufbTtyGzTTT8GZusEWM6WuO6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-17 10:26 ` Varun Sethi
2014-06-17 10:26 ` Varun Sethi
2014-06-17 10:26 ` Varun Sethi
[not found] ` <0587e1f4894546398be0798d2bc2c84f-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-17 10:43 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-17 10:43 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-17 10:43 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140617104304.GD13808-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-17 11:21 ` Varun Sethi
2014-06-17 11:21 ` Varun Sethi
2014-06-17 11:21 ` Varun Sethi
[not found] ` <32165315f0b84be9948f489fd87bf6a9-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-17 14:50 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-17 14:50 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-17 14:50 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-18 9:29 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-18 9:29 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-18 9:29 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-17 14:39 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-17 14:39 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-17 14:39 ` Stuart Yoder
2014-06-20 23:16 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-20 23:16 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-20 23:16 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-24 9:18 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-24 9:18 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-24 9:18 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140624091808.GC26013-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-24 17:57 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-24 17:57 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-24 17:57 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-24 18:11 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-24 18:11 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-24 18:11 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140624181150.GB4067-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-24 18:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-24 18:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-24 18:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 9:17 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:17 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:17 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:27 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 9:27 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 9:27 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 9:38 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:38 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:38 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 9:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 9:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 9:57 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:57 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:57 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140625095735.GI6153-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-25 10:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 10:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 10:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-25 10:14 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 10:14 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 10:14 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-24 21:35 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-24 21:35 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-24 21:35 ` Olav Haugan
[not found] ` <53A9EF3A.2070704-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-25 9:18 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:18 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-25 9:18 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140625091858.GG6153-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-27 22:23 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-27 22:23 ` Olav Haugan
2014-06-27 22:23 ` Olav Haugan
[not found] ` <53ADEEDF.7060902-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-30 9:52 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-30 9:52 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-30 9:52 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-09 1:07 ` Olav Haugan
2014-07-09 1:07 ` Olav Haugan
2014-07-09 1:07 ` Olav Haugan
[not found] ` <53BC95DA.1010500-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-09 10:54 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-09 10:54 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-09 10:54 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140709105441.GE9485-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-10 22:32 ` Olav Haugan
2014-07-10 22:32 ` Olav Haugan
2014-07-10 22:32 ` Olav Haugan
2014-07-11 12:24 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-11 12:24 ` Will Deacon
2014-07-11 12:24 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-23 20:36 Thierry Reding
2014-05-23 20:36 ` Thierry Reding
2014-05-23 20:36 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <1400877395-4235-1-git-send-email-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29 15:52 ` Stephen Warren
2014-05-29 15:52 ` Stephen Warren
2014-05-29 15:52 ` Stephen Warren
2014-05-30 7:30 ` Thierry Reding
2014-05-30 7:30 ` Thierry Reding
2014-05-30 11:27 ` Dave Martin
2014-05-30 11:27 ` Dave Martin
2014-05-30 11:27 ` Dave Martin
[not found] ` <20140530112728.GB3949-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 19:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 10:56 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-02 10:56 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-02 10:56 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-04 21:12 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 21:12 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 21:12 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-16 12:57 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-16 12:57 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-16 12:57 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-17 11:58 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-17 11:58 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-17 11:58 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-17 12:18 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-17 12:18 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-17 12:18 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-17 23:37 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-17 23:37 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-17 23:37 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-18 10:14 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-18 10:14 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-18 10:14 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20140618101439.GF32699-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-20 15:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-20 15:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-20 15:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-20 17:50 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-20 17:50 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-20 17:50 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-20 18:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-20 18:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-20 18:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 11:22 ` Dave Martin
2014-05-30 11:22 ` Dave Martin
2014-05-30 11:22 ` Dave Martin
[not found] ` <20140530112226.GA3949-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 19:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-30 19:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-02 11:44 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-02 11:44 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-02 11:44 ` Dave Martin
2014-06-04 21:32 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 21:32 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-04 21:32 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-05 9:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
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2014-06-05 9:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-06 22:45 Thierry Reding
2014-06-06 22:45 ` Thierry Reding
2014-06-07 13:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
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