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From: Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>
To: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
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	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/22] media: Media Controller enable/disable source handler API
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:22:12 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56E6D724.6080909@osg.samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160313201131.GN11084@valkosipuli.retiisi.org.uk>

On 03/13/2016 02:11 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Shuah,
> 
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 07:29:59AM -0700, Shuah Khan wrote:
>> On 03/10/2016 12:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
>>> Hi Shuah,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 04:41:22PM -0700, Shuah Khan wrote:
>>>> Add new fields to struct media_device to add enable_source, and
>>>> disable_source handlers, and source_priv to stash driver private
>>>> data that is used to run these handlers. The enable_source handler
>>>> finds source entity for the passed in entity and checks if it is
>>>> available. When link is found, it activates it. Disable source
>>>> handler deactivates the link.
>>>>
>>>> Bridge driver is expected to implement and set these handlers.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>  include/media/media-device.h | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>  1 file changed, 30 insertions(+)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/include/media/media-device.h b/include/media/media-device.h
>>>> index 075a482..1a04644 100644
>>>> --- a/include/media/media-device.h
>>>> +++ b/include/media/media-device.h
>>>> @@ -302,6 +302,11 @@ struct media_entity_notify {
>>>>   * @entity_notify: List of registered entity_notify callbacks
>>>>   * @lock:	Entities list lock
>>>>   * @graph_mutex: Entities graph operation lock
>>>> + *
>>>> + * @source_priv: Driver Private data for enable/disable source handlers
>>>> + * @enable_source: Enable Source Handler function pointer
>>>> + * @disable_source: Disable Source Handler function pointer
>>>> + *
>>>>   * @link_notify: Link state change notification callback
>>>>   *
>>>>   * This structure represents an abstract high-level media device. It allows easy
>>>> @@ -313,6 +318,26 @@ struct media_entity_notify {
>>>>   *
>>>>   * @model is a descriptive model name exported through sysfs. It doesn't have to
>>>>   * be unique.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * @enable_source is a handler to find source entity for the
>>>> + * sink entity  and activate the link between them if source
>>>> + * entity is free. Drivers should call this handler before
>>>> + * accessing the source.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * @disable_source is a handler to find source entity for the
>>>> + * sink entity  and deactivate the link between them. Drivers
>>>> + * should call this handler to release the source.
>>>> + *
>>>
>>> Is there a particular reason you're not simply (de)activating the link, but
>>> instead add a new callback?
>>
>> These two handlers are separate for a couple of reasons:
>>
>> 1. Explicit and symmetric API is easier to use and maintain.
>>    Similar what we do in other cases, register/unregister
>>    get/put etc.
> 
> Link state is set explicitly (enabled or disabled). This is certainly not a
> reason to create a redundant API for link setup.
> 
>> 2. This is more important. Disable handler makes sure the
>>    owner is releasing the resource. Otherwise, when some
>>    other application does enable, the owner could loose
>>    the resource, if enable and disable are the same.
>>
>>    e.g: Video app is holding the resource, DVB app does
>>    enable. Disable handler makes sure Video/owner  is the one
>>    that is asking to do the release.
> 
> Based on the later patches in this set, the enable_source() callback of the 
> au0828 driver performs three things:
> 
> - Find the source entity,
> - Enable the link from some au0828 entity to the source and
> - Start the pipeline that begins from the I/O device node. The pipe object
>   is embedded in struct video_device.
> 
> disable_source() undoes this in reverse order.
> 
> That's in the au0828 driver and rightly so.
> 
> Then it gets murkier. enable_source() and disable_source() callbacks
> (through a few turns) will get called from v4l2-ioctl.c functions
> v4l_querycap, v4l_s_fmt, v4l_s_frequency, v4l_s_std and v4l_querystd. This
> is also performed in VB2 core vb2_core_streamon() function.
> 
> I certainly have no objections when it comes to blocking other processes
> from setting the format when a process holding a file handle to a device has
> e.g. set the format. The implementation is another matter.
> 
> What particularly does concern me in this patchset is:
> 
> - struct media_pipe is intended to be allocated by drivers embedded in
>   another struct holding information the driver needs related to the
>   pipeline. Moving this struct to struct video_device prevents this, which
>   translates to v4l_enable_media_source() and v4l_disable_media_source()
>   functions the patchset adds being specific to the au0828 driver. They
>   should be part of that driver, and may not be part of the V4L2 core.
>   struct media_pipe may not be added to struct video_device for the same
>   reason.

This media_pipe is associated with struct video_device though. I don't
understand your concern. I am viewing this media_pipe as part of the
registered video_device. video_device struct is in the au0828 device
and gets registered as a whole including the media_pipe 

> 
> - The IOCTL handlers in v4l2-ioctl.c already call driver-settable callbacks
>   before this set. It looks like redundant callbacks are added there as
>   ell. The same appears to be true for the VB2 callback. Could you use the
>   existing callbacks instead of creating new ones?

If I understand correctly, you are suggesting that the calls to enable
and disable source should be made from the au0828 hooks. e.g vidioc_s_std()

Calling them from v4l2-core makes it generic and works on all drivers
without driver changes. That is the rationale for making adding v4l2
common interfaces v4l_enable_media_source() and v4l_disable_media_source()

> 
> As a short term solution, I propose moving the code to the au0828 driver.
> Once it is there, we can see whether it could be made more generic if there
> is a need for it elsewhere. I believe so. Support atomic pipeline
> configuration and startup is a generic problem that requires a generic
> solution: we should have a way to construct a pipeline and prevent other
> users from messing with it before it's started. But as currently implemented
> by this patchset, it is very specific to the au0828 driver and as such may
> not be added to the V4L2 or the MC frameworks.
> 

The enable and disable handlers themselves are for a good reason. These are
handlers that get called from dvb-core, v4l2-core via the common interfaces.
These also get called from sound driver from the media_device. All of this is
generic. Could you please elaborate on which part is au0828 driver specific
other than the media_pipe in struct video_device?

thanks,
-- Shuah

-- 
Shuah Khan
Sr. Linux Kernel Developer
Open Source Innovation Group
Samsung Research America (Silicon Valley)
shuahkh@osg.samsung.com | (970) 217-8978

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From: Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>
To: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
Cc: mchehab@osg.samsung.com, tiwai@suse.com, clemens@ladisch.de,
	hans.verkuil@cisco.com, laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com,
	sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com, javier@osg.samsung.com,
	pawel@osciak.com, m.szyprowski@samsung.com,
	kyungmin.park@samsung.com, perex@perex.cz, arnd@arndb.de,
	dan.carpenter@oracle.com, tvboxspy@gmail.com, crope@iki.fi,
	ruchandani.tina@gmail.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	chehabrafael@gmail.com, k.kozlowski@samsung.com,
	stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de, inki.dae@samsung.com,
	jh1009.sung@samsung.com, elfring@users.sourceforge.net,
	prabhakar.csengg@gmail.com, sw0312.kim@samsung.com,
	p.zabel@pengutronix.de, ricardo.ribalda@gmail.com,
	labbott@fedoraproject.org, pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com,
	ricard.wanderlof@axis.com, julian@jusst.de,
	takamichiho@gmail.com, dominic.sacre@gmx.de, misterpib@gmail.com,
	daniel@zonque.org, gtmkramer@xs4all.nl, normalperson@yhbt.net,
	joe@oam
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/22] media: Media Controller enable/disable source handler API
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:22:12 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56E6D724.6080909@osg.samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160313201131.GN11084@valkosipuli.retiisi.org.uk>

On 03/13/2016 02:11 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Shuah,
> 
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 07:29:59AM -0700, Shuah Khan wrote:
>> On 03/10/2016 12:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
>>> Hi Shuah,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 04:41:22PM -0700, Shuah Khan wrote:
>>>> Add new fields to struct media_device to add enable_source, and
>>>> disable_source handlers, and source_priv to stash driver private
>>>> data that is used to run these handlers. The enable_source handler
>>>> finds source entity for the passed in entity and checks if it is
>>>> available. When link is found, it activates it. Disable source
>>>> handler deactivates the link.
>>>>
>>>> Bridge driver is expected to implement and set these handlers.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>  include/media/media-device.h | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>  1 file changed, 30 insertions(+)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/include/media/media-device.h b/include/media/media-device.h
>>>> index 075a482..1a04644 100644
>>>> --- a/include/media/media-device.h
>>>> +++ b/include/media/media-device.h
>>>> @@ -302,6 +302,11 @@ struct media_entity_notify {
>>>>   * @entity_notify: List of registered entity_notify callbacks
>>>>   * @lock:	Entities list lock
>>>>   * @graph_mutex: Entities graph operation lock
>>>> + *
>>>> + * @source_priv: Driver Private data for enable/disable source handlers
>>>> + * @enable_source: Enable Source Handler function pointer
>>>> + * @disable_source: Disable Source Handler function pointer
>>>> + *
>>>>   * @link_notify: Link state change notification callback
>>>>   *
>>>>   * This structure represents an abstract high-level media device. It allows easy
>>>> @@ -313,6 +318,26 @@ struct media_entity_notify {
>>>>   *
>>>>   * @model is a descriptive model name exported through sysfs. It doesn't have to
>>>>   * be unique.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * @enable_source is a handler to find source entity for the
>>>> + * sink entity  and activate the link between them if source
>>>> + * entity is free. Drivers should call this handler before
>>>> + * accessing the source.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * @disable_source is a handler to find source entity for the
>>>> + * sink entity  and deactivate the link between them. Drivers
>>>> + * should call this handler to release the source.
>>>> + *
>>>
>>> Is there a particular reason you're not simply (de)activating the link, but
>>> instead add a new callback?
>>
>> These two handlers are separate for a couple of reasons:
>>
>> 1. Explicit and symmetric API is easier to use and maintain.
>>    Similar what we do in other cases, register/unregister
>>    get/put etc.
> 
> Link state is set explicitly (enabled or disabled). This is certainly not a
> reason to create a redundant API for link setup.
> 
>> 2. This is more important. Disable handler makes sure the
>>    owner is releasing the resource. Otherwise, when some
>>    other application does enable, the owner could loose
>>    the resource, if enable and disable are the same.
>>
>>    e.g: Video app is holding the resource, DVB app does
>>    enable. Disable handler makes sure Video/owner  is the one
>>    that is asking to do the release.
> 
> Based on the later patches in this set, the enable_source() callback of the 
> au0828 driver performs three things:
> 
> - Find the source entity,
> - Enable the link from some au0828 entity to the source and
> - Start the pipeline that begins from the I/O device node. The pipe object
>   is embedded in struct video_device.
> 
> disable_source() undoes this in reverse order.
> 
> That's in the au0828 driver and rightly so.
> 
> Then it gets murkier. enable_source() and disable_source() callbacks
> (through a few turns) will get called from v4l2-ioctl.c functions
> v4l_querycap, v4l_s_fmt, v4l_s_frequency, v4l_s_std and v4l_querystd. This
> is also performed in VB2 core vb2_core_streamon() function.
> 
> I certainly have no objections when it comes to blocking other processes
> from setting the format when a process holding a file handle to a device has
> e.g. set the format. The implementation is another matter.
> 
> What particularly does concern me in this patchset is:
> 
> - struct media_pipe is intended to be allocated by drivers embedded in
>   another struct holding information the driver needs related to the
>   pipeline. Moving this struct to struct video_device prevents this, which
>   translates to v4l_enable_media_source() and v4l_disable_media_source()
>   functions the patchset adds being specific to the au0828 driver. They
>   should be part of that driver, and may not be part of the V4L2 core.
>   struct media_pipe may not be added to struct video_device for the same
>   reason.

This media_pipe is associated with struct video_device though. I don't
understand your concern. I am viewing this media_pipe as part of the
registered video_device. video_device struct is in the au0828 device
and gets registered as a whole including the media_pipe 

> 
> - The IOCTL handlers in v4l2-ioctl.c already call driver-settable callbacks
>   before this set. It looks like redundant callbacks are added there as
>   ell. The same appears to be true for the VB2 callback. Could you use the
>   existing callbacks instead of creating new ones?

If I understand correctly, you are suggesting that the calls to enable
and disable source should be made from the au0828 hooks. e.g vidioc_s_std()

Calling them from v4l2-core makes it generic and works on all drivers
without driver changes. That is the rationale for making adding v4l2
common interfaces v4l_enable_media_source() and v4l_disable_media_source()

> 
> As a short term solution, I propose moving the code to the au0828 driver.
> Once it is there, we can see whether it could be made more generic if there
> is a need for it elsewhere. I believe so. Support atomic pipeline
> configuration and startup is a generic problem that requires a generic
> solution: we should have a way to construct a pipeline and prevent other
> users from messing with it before it's started. But as currently implemented
> by this patchset, it is very specific to the au0828 driver and as such may
> not be added to the V4L2 or the MC frameworks.
> 

The enable and disable handlers themselves are for a good reason. These are
handlers that get called from dvb-core, v4l2-core via the common interfaces.
These also get called from sound driver from the media_device. All of this is
generic. Could you please elaborate on which part is au0828 driver specific
other than the media_pipe in struct video_device?

thanks,
-- Shuah

-- 
Shuah Khan
Sr. Linux Kernel Developer
Open Source Innovation Group
Samsung Research America (Silicon Valley)
shuahkh@osg.samsung.com | (970) 217-8978

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-14 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-11 23:41 [PATCH v3 00/22] Sharing media resources across ALSA and au0828 drivers Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] [media] Docbook: media-types.xml: Add ALSA Media Controller Intf types Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-17 12:19   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-17 12:19     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-17 14:59     ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-17 14:59       ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 19:28     ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 19:28       ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] uapi/media.h: Declare interface types for ALSA Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-17 12:21   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-17 12:21     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-26 19:30     ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 19:30       ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 19:38       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-26 19:38         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-03-03 14:59   ` Hans Verkuil
2016-03-03 14:59     ` Hans Verkuil
2016-03-03 15:57     ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-03 15:57       ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] [media] Docbook: media-types.xml: Add Audio Function Entities Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-17 12:23   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-17 12:23     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-26 19:40     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-26 19:40       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-29  2:46   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-03-03 22:50     ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-03 22:50       ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] media: Add ALSA Media Controller function entities Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-17 12:25   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-17 12:25     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-26 19:40     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-26 19:40       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] media: Media Controller register/unregister entity_notify API Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] media: Media Controller enable/disable source handler API Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-10  7:35   ` Sakari Ailus
2016-03-10  7:35     ` Sakari Ailus
2016-03-10 14:29     ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-10 14:29       ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-13 20:11       ` Sakari Ailus
2016-03-13 20:11         ` Sakari Ailus
2016-03-14 15:22         ` Shuah Khan [this message]
2016-03-14 15:22           ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-17  9:30           ` Sakari Ailus
2016-03-17  9:30             ` Sakari Ailus
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] media: Media Controller export non locking __media_entity_setup_link() Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] media: Media Controller non-locking __media_entity_pipeline_start/stop() Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] media: v4l-core add enable/disable source common interfaces Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] media: Move au8522_media_pads enum to au8522.h from au8522_priv.h Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] media: au8522 change to create MC pad for ALSA Audio Out Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] media: au0828 Use au8522_media_pads enum for pad defines Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] media: Change v4l-core to check if source is free Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-03 20:39   ` Olli Salonen
2016-03-03 21:18     ` Shuah Khan
2016-03-03 21:21       ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] media: au0828 change to use Managed Media Controller API Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] media: au0828 handle media_init and media_register window Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] media: au0828 create tuner to decoder link in disabled state Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] media: au0828 disable tuner to demod link Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] media: au0828-core register entity_notify hook Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] media: au0828 add enable, disable source handlers Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] media: dvb-frontend invoke enable/disable_source handlers Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] media: au0828 video change to use v4l_enable_media_source() Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] sound/usb: Use Media Controller API to share media resources Shuah Khan
2016-02-11 23:41   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 19:33   ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 19:33     ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 19:55   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-26 19:55     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-26 20:08     ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 20:08       ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-26 20:50       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-26 20:50         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-27  2:55         ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-27  2:55           ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-27  7:48           ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-27  7:48             ` Takashi Iwai
2016-02-27 12:41             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-27 12:41               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-29  6:01             ` Shuah Khan
2016-02-29  6:01               ` Shuah Khan

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