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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Oleg Nesterov' <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "'Eric W. Biederman'" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	'Andrew Morton' <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	'Deepa Dinamani' <deepa.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"'linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'arnd@arndb.de'" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"'dbueso@suse.de'" <dbueso@suse.de>,
	"'axboe@kernel.dk'" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"'dave@stgolabs.net'" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"'e@80x24.org'" <e@80x24.org>,
	"'jbaron@akamai.com'" <jbaron@akamai.com>,
	"'linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'linux-aio@kvack.org'" <linux-aio@kvack.org>,
	"'omar.kilani@gmail.com'" <omar.kilani@gmail.com>,
	"'tglx@linutronix.de'" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	'Al Viro' <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"'linux-arch@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 1/5] signal: Teach sigsuspend to use set_user_sigmask
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 08:48:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e9b964b08d84c99980b1707e5fe3d1d@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6f748b26bef748208e2a74174c0c0bfc@AcuMS.aculab.com>

From: David Laight
> Sent: 12 June 2019 15:18
> From: Oleg Nesterov
> > Sent: 12 June 2019 14:46
> > On 06/11, David Laight wrote:
> > >
> > > If I have an application that has a loop with a pselect call that
> > > enables SIGINT (without a handler) and, for whatever reason,
> > > one of the fd is always 'ready' then I'd expect a SIGINT
> > > (from ^C) to terminate the program.
> >
> > This was never true.
> >
> > Before Eric's patches SIGINT can kill a process or not, depending on timing.
> > In particular, if SIGINT was already pending before pselect() and it finds
> > an already ready fd, the program won't terminate.
> 
> Which matches what I see on a very old Linux system.
> 
> > After the Eric's patches SIGINT will only kill the program if pselect() does
> > not find a ready fd.
> >
> > And this is much more consistent. Now we can simply say that the signal will
> > be delivered only if pselect() fails and returns -EINTR. If it doesn't have
> > a handler the process will be killed, otherwise the handler will be called.
> 
> But is it what the standards mandate?
> Can anyone check how Solaris and any of the BSDs behave?
> I don't have access to any solaris systems (I doubt I'll get the disk to
> spin on the one in my garage).
> I can check NetBSD when I get home.

I tested NetBSD last night.
pselect() always calls the signal handlers even when an fd is ready.
I'm beginning to suspect that this is the 'standards conforming' behaviour.
I don't remember when pselect() was added to the ToG specs, it didn't
go through XNET while I  was going to the meetings.

	David

> 
> The ToG page for pselect() http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/pselect.html
> says:
>     "If sigmask is not a null pointer, then the pselect() function shall replace
>     the signal mask of the caller by the set of signals pointed to by sigmask
>     before examining the descriptors, and shall restore the signal mask of the
>     calling thread before returning."
> Note that it says 'before examining the descriptors' not 'before blocking'.
> Under the general description about signals it also says that the signal handler
> will be called (or other action happen) when a pending signal is unblocked.
> So unblocking SIGINT (set to SIG_DFL) prior to examining the descriptors
> should be enough to cause the process to exit.
> The fact that signal handlers are not called until 'return to user'
> is really an implementation choice - but (IMHO) it should appear as if they
> were called at the time they became unmasked.
> 
> If nothing else the man pages need a note about the standards and portability.
> 
> 	David

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Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Oleg Nesterov' <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "'Eric W. Biederman'" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	'Andrew Morton' <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	'Deepa Dinamani' <deepa.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"'linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'arnd@arndb.de'" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"'dbueso@suse.de'" <dbueso@suse.de>,
	"'axboe@kernel.dk'" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"'dave@stgolabs.net'" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"'e@80x24.org'" <e@80x24.org>,
	"'jbaron@akamai.com'" <jbaron@akamai.com>,
	"'linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'linux-aio@kvack.org'" <linux-aio@kvack.org>,
	"'omar.kilani@gmail.com'" <omar.kilani@gmail.com>,
	"'tglx@linutronix.de'" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	'Al Viro' <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"'linux-arch@vger.kernel.org'" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH 1/5] signal: Teach sigsuspend to use set_user_sigmask
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 08:48:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e9b964b08d84c99980b1707e5fe3d1d@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6f748b26bef748208e2a74174c0c0bfc@AcuMS.aculab.com>

From: David Laight
> Sent: 12 June 2019 15:18
> From: Oleg Nesterov
> > Sent: 12 June 2019 14:46
> > On 06/11, David Laight wrote:
> > >
> > > If I have an application that has a loop with a pselect call that
> > > enables SIGINT (without a handler) and, for whatever reason,
> > > one of the fd is always 'ready' then I'd expect a SIGINT
> > > (from ^C) to terminate the program.
> >
> > This was never true.
> >
> > Before Eric's patches SIGINT can kill a process or not, depending on timing.
> > In particular, if SIGINT was already pending before pselect() and it finds
> > an already ready fd, the program won't terminate.
> 
> Which matches what I see on a very old Linux system.
> 
> > After the Eric's patches SIGINT will only kill the program if pselect() does
> > not find a ready fd.
> >
> > And this is much more consistent. Now we can simply say that the signal will
> > be delivered only if pselect() fails and returns -EINTR. If it doesn't have
> > a handler the process will be killed, otherwise the handler will be called.
> 
> But is it what the standards mandate?
> Can anyone check how Solaris and any of the BSDs behave?
> I don't have access to any solaris systems (I doubt I'll get the disk to
> spin on the one in my garage).
> I can check NetBSD when I get home.

I tested NetBSD last night.
pselect() always calls the signal handlers even when an fd is ready.
I'm beginning to suspect that this is the 'standards conforming' behaviour.
I don't remember when pselect() was added to the ToG specs, it didn't
go through XNET while I  was going to the meetings.

	David

> 
> The ToG page for pselect() http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/pselect.html
> says:
>     "If sigmask is not a null pointer, then the pselect() function shall replace
>     the signal mask of the caller by the set of signals pointed to by sigmask
>     before examining the descriptors, and shall restore the signal mask of the
>     calling thread before returning."
> Note that it says 'before examining the descriptors' not 'before blocking'.
> Under the general description about signals it also says that the signal handler
> will be called (or other action happen) when a pending signal is unblocked.
> So unblocking SIGINT (set to SIG_DFL) prior to examining the descriptors
> should be enough to cause the process to exit.
> The fact that signal handlers are not called until 'return to user'
> is really an implementation choice - but (IMHO) it should appear as if they
> were called at the time they became unmasked.
> 
> If nothing else the man pages need a note about the standards and portability.
> 
> 	David

-
Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK
Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-13 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-22  3:21 [PATCH v2] signal: Adjust error codes according to restore_user_sigmask() Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-22 15:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-22 15:55   ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-22 16:14     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-22 16:33       ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-23  9:03         ` David Laight
2019-05-23 14:59           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-23 16:18             ` David Laight
2019-05-23 16:36               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-23 16:56                 ` David Laight
2019-05-23 18:06                   ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-23 20:41                     ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-23 21:06                       ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-24  9:58                     ` David Laight
2019-05-24 14:10                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-24 15:16                       ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-24 16:33                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-24 17:01                           ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-27 15:04                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-28 20:47                               ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-29 16:57                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-29 18:42                                   ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-28  9:02                             ` David Laight
2019-05-28  9:12                             ` David Laight
2019-05-28 11:37                               ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-28 12:04                                 ` David Laight
2019-05-24 14:19                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-24 14:29                       ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-24 14:51                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-24 13:29                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-24 14:59                     ` David Laight
2019-05-24 15:09                       ` David Laight
2019-05-24 15:46                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-24 15:44                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-24 16:40                         ` David Laight
2019-05-23 14:33         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-22 22:18 ` Chris Down
2019-05-22 22:52   ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-22 22:52     ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-29 16:11 ` pselect/etc semantics (Was: [PATCH v2] signal: Adjust error codes according to restore_user_sigmask()) Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-29 16:54   ` David Laight
2019-05-29 18:50     ` Eric Wong
2019-05-30  9:34       ` David Laight
2019-05-30 13:04       ` pselect/etc semantics Eric W. Biederman
2019-05-29 16:56   ` pselect/etc semantics (Was: [PATCH v2] signal: Adjust error codes according to restore_user_sigmask()) Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-29 18:26   ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-29 22:32   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-30  1:54     ` pselect/etc semantics Eric W. Biederman
2019-05-30 18:28       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-30 14:40     ` pselect/etc semantics (Was: [PATCH v2] signal: Adjust error codes according to restore_user_sigmask()) Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-30 18:37       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-30 13:01   ` pselect/etc semantics Eric W. Biederman
2019-05-30 15:18     ` David Laight
2019-05-30 16:13       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-30 15:38     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-05-30 15:48       ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-30 16:59         ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-05-30 16:08       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-30 17:20         ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-05-30 16:22       ` David Laight
2019-05-30 15:57     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-05-30 21:03     ` Eric Wong
2019-06-04 13:41   ` [PATCH] signal: remove the wrong signal_pending() check in restore_user_sigmask() Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-04 15:31     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-04 15:31       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-04 15:57       ` David Laight
2019-06-04 15:57         ` David Laight
2019-06-04 16:37     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 18:14       ` Deepa Dinamani
2019-06-04 18:35     ` Eric Wong
2019-06-04 21:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-04 22:24       ` Eric Wong
2019-06-04 23:51       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-05  9:04         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-05  8:56       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-05  9:02       ` David Laight
2019-06-05  9:25         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-05  9:58           ` David Laight
2019-06-05 15:58     ` [PATCH -mm 0/1] signal: simplify set_user_sigmask/restore_user_sigmask Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-05 15:58       ` [PATCH -mm 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-06  0:14         ` kbuild test robot
2019-06-06  1:06         ` kbuild test robot
2019-06-06  7:25         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-06  7:30           ` Sedat Dilek
2019-06-05 17:24       ` [PATCH -mm 0/1] " Linus Torvalds
2019-06-06  9:05         ` David Laight
2019-06-06 11:05           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-06 11:29             ` David Laight
2019-06-06 12:41               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-06 13:23                 ` David Laight
2019-06-06 10:22         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-06 11:32       ` [PATCH -mm V2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-06 14:08     ` [PATCH 0/2] select: simplify the usage of restore_saved_sigmask_unless() Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-06 14:08       ` [PATCH 1/2] select: change do_poll() to return -ERESTARTNOHAND rather than -EINTR Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-07 18:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-06 14:09       ` [PATCH 2/2] select: shift restore_saved_sigmask_unless() into poll_select_copy_remaining() Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-07 21:39       ` [RFC PATCH 0/5]: Removing saved_sigmask Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:41         ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] signal: Teach sigsuspend to use set_user_sigmask Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:41           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:41           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 22:07           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-07 22:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-10 16:22           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-10 21:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-11  9:52               ` David Laight
2019-06-11 11:14                 ` David Laight
2019-06-12 12:55                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 12:55                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 12:55                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 13:24                     ` David Laight
2019-06-12 13:24                       ` David Laight
2019-06-12 13:35                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-12 13:35                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-12 13:39                         ` David Laight
2019-06-12 13:39                           ` David Laight
2019-06-11 15:46                 ` David Laight
2019-06-11 15:46                   ` David Laight
2019-06-12 12:40                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 12:40                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 12:40                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 13:45                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-12 14:18                   ` David Laight
2019-06-12 15:11                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 15:11                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 15:37                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-12 15:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-13  8:48                     ` David Laight [this message]
2019-06-13  8:48                       ` David Laight
2019-06-13  9:43                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-13  9:43                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-13 10:56                         ` David Laight
2019-06-13 10:56                           ` David Laight
2019-06-13 12:43                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-13 12:43                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-11 18:55               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-06-11 19:02                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-11 19:02                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12  8:39                 ` David Laight
2019-06-12 13:09                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 13:09                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-12 13:09                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:41         ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] signal/kvm: Stop using sigprocmask in kvm_sigset_(activate|deactivate) Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:41           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:41           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:42         ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] signal: Always keep real_blocked in sync with blocked Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:42           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:42           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:43         ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] signal: Remove saved_sigmask Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:43           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:43           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:44         ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] signal: Remove the unnecessary restore_sigmask flag Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:44           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-07 21:44           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-06-11 18:58         ` [RFC PATCH 0/5]: Removing saved_sigmask Oleg Nesterov

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