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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>, Nick Hu <nickhu@andestech.com>,
	Greentime Hu <green.hu@gmail.com>,
	Vincent Chen <deanbo422@gmail.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-csky@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	Artem Kashkanov <artem.kashkanov@intel.com>,
	Like Xu <like.xu.linux@gmail.com>,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] perf: KVM: Fix, optimize, and clean up callbacks
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:22:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tuifv3mb.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <662e93f9-e858-689d-d203-742731ecad2c@redhat.com>

On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:05:25 +0100,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 17/09/21 09:28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> In theory, I like the idea of burying intel_pt inside x86 (and even in
> >> Intel+VMX code for the most part), but the actual implementation is a
> >> bit gross.  Because of the whole "KVM can be a module" thing,
> > 
> > ARGH!! we should really fix that. I've heard other archs have made much
> > better choices here.
> 
> I think that's only ARM, and even then it is only because of
> limitations of the hardware which mostly apply only if VHE is not in
> use.
> 
> If anything, it's ARM that should support module build in VHE mode
> (Linux would still need to know whether it will be running at EL1 or
> EL2, but KVM's functionality is as self-contained as on x86 in the VHE
> case).

I don't see this happening anytime soon. At least not before we
declare the arm64 single kernel image policy to be obsolete.

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	Vincent Chen <deanbo422@gmail.com>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-csky@vger.kernel.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Like Xu <like.xu.linux@gmail.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Greentime Hu <green.hu@gmail.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Artem Kashkanov <artem.kashkanov@intel.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>, Nick Hu <nickhu@andestech.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] perf: KVM: Fix, optimize, and clean up callbacks
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:22:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tuifv3mb.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <662e93f9-e858-689d-d203-742731ecad2c@redhat.com>

On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:05:25 +0100,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 17/09/21 09:28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> In theory, I like the idea of burying intel_pt inside x86 (and even in
> >> Intel+VMX code for the most part), but the actual implementation is a
> >> bit gross.  Because of the whole "KVM can be a module" thing,
> > 
> > ARGH!! we should really fix that. I've heard other archs have made much
> > better choices here.
> 
> I think that's only ARM, and even then it is only because of
> limitations of the hardware which mostly apply only if VHE is not in
> use.
> 
> If anything, it's ARM that should support module build in VHE mode
> (Linux would still need to know whether it will be running at EL1 or
> EL2, but KVM's functionality is as self-contained as on x86 in the VHE
> case).

I don't see this happening anytime soon. At least not before we
declare the arm64 single kernel image policy to be obsolete.

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>, Nick Hu <nickhu@andestech.com>,
	Greentime Hu <green.hu@gmail.com>,
	Vincent Chen <deanbo422@gmail.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-csky@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	Artem Kashkanov <artem.kashkanov@intel.com>,
	Like Xu <like.xu.linux@gmail.com>,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] perf: KVM: Fix, optimize, and clean up callbacks
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:22:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tuifv3mb.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <662e93f9-e858-689d-d203-742731ecad2c@redhat.com>

On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:05:25 +0100,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 17/09/21 09:28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> In theory, I like the idea of burying intel_pt inside x86 (and even in
> >> Intel+VMX code for the most part), but the actual implementation is a
> >> bit gross.  Because of the whole "KVM can be a module" thing,
> > 
> > ARGH!! we should really fix that. I've heard other archs have made much
> > better choices here.
> 
> I think that's only ARM, and even then it is only because of
> limitations of the hardware which mostly apply only if VHE is not in
> use.
> 
> If anything, it's ARM that should support module build in VHE mode
> (Linux would still need to know whether it will be running at EL1 or
> EL2, but KVM's functionality is as self-contained as on x86 in the VHE
> case).

I don't see this happening anytime soon. At least not before we
declare the arm64 single kernel image policy to be obsolete.

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>, Nick Hu <nickhu@andestech.com>,
	Greentime Hu <green.hu@gmail.com>,
	Vincent Chen <deanbo422@gmail.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-csky@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	Artem Kashkanov <artem.kashkanov@intel.com>,
	Like Xu <like.xu.linux@gmail.com>,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] perf: KVM: Fix, optimize, and clean up callbacks
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:22:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tuifv3mb.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <662e93f9-e858-689d-d203-742731ecad2c@redhat.com>

On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:05:25 +0100,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 17/09/21 09:28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> In theory, I like the idea of burying intel_pt inside x86 (and even in
> >> Intel+VMX code for the most part), but the actual implementation is a
> >> bit gross.  Because of the whole "KVM can be a module" thing,
> > 
> > ARGH!! we should really fix that. I've heard other archs have made much
> > better choices here.
> 
> I think that's only ARM, and even then it is only because of
> limitations of the hardware which mostly apply only if VHE is not in
> use.
> 
> If anything, it's ARM that should support module build in VHE mode
> (Linux would still need to know whether it will be running at EL1 or
> EL2, but KVM's functionality is as self-contained as on x86 in the VHE
> case).

I don't see this happening anytime soon. At least not before we
declare the arm64 single kernel image policy to be obsolete.

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

_______________________________________________
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-20 12:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-28  0:35 [PATCH v2 00/13] perf: KVM: Fix, optimize, and clean up callbacks Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] perf: Ensure perf_guest_cbs aren't reloaded between !NULL check and deref Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28 19:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 19:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 19:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 19:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-16 21:41     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 21:41       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 21:41       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 21:41       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] KVM: x86: Register perf callbacks after calling vendor's hardware_setup() Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] KVM: x86: Register Processor Trace interrupt hook iff PT enabled in guest Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] perf: Stop pretending that perf can handle multiple guest callbacks Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] perf: Force architectures to opt-in to " Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28 19:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 19:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 19:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 19:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-16 22:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 22:30       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 22:30       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 22:30       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-21 16:44     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-21 16:44       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-21 16:44       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-21 16:44       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-21 21:29       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-21 21:29         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-21 21:29         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-21 21:29         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] perf/core: Rework guest callbacks to prepare for static_call support Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] perf/core: Use static_call to optimize perf_guest_info_callbacks Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] KVM: x86: Drop current_vcpu for kvm_running_vcpu + kvm_arch_vcpu variable Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] KVM: x86: More precisely identify NMI from guest when handling PMI Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] KVM: Move x86's perf guest info callbacks to generic KVM Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] KVM: x86: Move Intel Processor Trace interrupt handler to vmx.c Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] KVM: arm64: Convert to the generic perf callbacks Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] KVM: arm64: Drop perf.c and fold its tiny bits of code into arm.c / pmu.c Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28  0:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-08-28 20:13 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] perf: KVM: Fix, optimize, and clean up callbacks Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 20:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 20:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-08-28 20:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-16 21:37   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 21:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 21:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-16 21:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-17  7:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-17  7:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-17  7:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-17  7:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-17 16:53       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-17 16:53         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-17 16:53         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-17 16:53         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-09-20 12:05       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 12:05         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 12:05         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 12:05         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 12:22         ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2021-09-20 12:22           ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-20 12:22           ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-20 12:22           ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-20 13:18           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 13:18             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 13:18             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 13:18             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 13:40             ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-20 13:40               ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-20 13:40               ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-20 13:40               ` Marc Zyngier
2021-09-20 18:22               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 18:22                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 18:22                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-09-20 18:22                 ` Paolo Bonzini

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