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From: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
	Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
	Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 29/29] arm64: mte: Add Memory Tagging Extension documentation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 16:43:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMn1gO76z7eLcuYg_PuWPCq7_N5p29518EGy-FdY9AvyY0fDgw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200918083046.GA30709@willie-the-truck>

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 1:30 AM Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 05:15:53PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:02:30AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:11:08AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 11:30:29AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > > > From: Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Memory Tagging Extension (part of the ARMv8.5 Extensions) provides
> > > > > a mechanism to detect the sources of memory related errors which
> > > > > may be vulnerable to exploitation, including bounds violations,
> > > > > use-after-free, use-after-return, use-out-of-scope and use before
> > > > > initialization errors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Add Memory Tagging Extension documentation for the arm64 linux
> > > > > kernel support.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>
> > > > > Co-developed-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > > > Acked-by: Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
> > > >
> > > > I'm taking this to mean that Szabolcs is happy with the proposed ABI --
> > > > please shout if that's not the case!
> > >
> > > I think Szabolcs is still on holiday. To summarise the past threads,
> > > AFAICT he's happy with this per-thread control ABI but the discussion
> > > went on whether to expand it in the future (with a new bit) to
> > > synchronise the tag checking mode across all threads of a process. This
> > > adds some complications for the kernel as it needs an IPI to the other
> > > CPUs to set SCTLR_EL1 and it's also racy with multiple threads
> > > requesting different modes.
> > >
> > > Now, in the glibc land, if the tag check mode is controlled via
> > > environment variables, the dynamic loader can set this at process start
> > > while still in single-threaded mode and not touch it at run-time. The
> > > MTE checking can still be enabled at run-time, per mapped memory range
> > > via the PROT_MTE flag. This approach doesn't require any additional
> > > changes to the current patches. But it's for Szabolcs to confirm once
> > > he's back.
> > >
> > > > Wasn't there a man page kicking around too? Would be good to see that
> > > > go upstream (to the manpages project, of course).
> > >
> > > Dave started writing one for the tagged address ABI, not sure where that
> > > is. For the MTE additions, we are waiting for the ABI to be upstreamed.
> >
> > The tagged address ABI control stuff is upstream in the man-pages-5.08
> > release.
> >
> > I don't think anyone drafted anything for MTE yet.  Do we consider the
> > MTE ABI to be sufficiently stable now for it to be worth starting
> > drafting something?
>
> I think so, yes. I'm hoping to queue it for 5.10, once I have an Ack from
> the Android tools side on the per-thread ABI.

Our main requirement on the Android side is to provide an API for
changing the tag checking mode in all threads in a process while
multiple threads are running. I think we've been able to accomplish
this [1] by using a libc private real-time signal which is sent to all
threads. The implementation has been tested on FVP via the included
unit tests. The code has also been tested on real hardware in a
multi-threaded app process (of course we don't have MTE-enabled
hardware, so the implementation was tested on hardware by hacking it
to disable the tagged address ABI instead of changing the tag checking
mode, and then verifying via ptrace(PTRACE_GETREGSET) that the tagged
address ABI was disabled in all threads).

That being said, as with any code at the nexus of concurrency and
POSIX signals, the implementation is quite tricky so I would say it
falls more into the category of "no obvious problems" than "obviously
no problems". It also relies on changes to the implementations of
pthread APIs so it wouldn't catch threads created directly via clone()
rather than via pthread_create(). I think we would be able to ignore
such threads on Android without causing compatibility issues because
we can require the process to not create threads via clone() before
calling the function. I imagine this may not necessarily work for
other libcs like glibc, though, but as I understand it glibc has no
plan to offer such an API.

I feel confident enough in the kernel API though that I think that
it's reasonable as a starting point at least, and that if a problem
with the API is discovered I would expect it to be fixable by adding
new APIs, so:

Acked-by: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>

Peter

[1] https://android-review.googlesource.com/c/platform/bionic/+/1427377

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 29/29] arm64: mte: Add Memory Tagging Extension documentation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 16:43:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMn1gO76z7eLcuYg_PuWPCq7_N5p29518EGy-FdY9AvyY0fDgw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200918083046.GA30709@willie-the-truck>

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 1:30 AM Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 05:15:53PM +0100, Dave Martin wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:02:30AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:11:08AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 11:30:29AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > > > From: Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Memory Tagging Extension (part of the ARMv8.5 Extensions) provides
> > > > > a mechanism to detect the sources of memory related errors which
> > > > > may be vulnerable to exploitation, including bounds violations,
> > > > > use-after-free, use-after-return, use-out-of-scope and use before
> > > > > initialization errors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Add Memory Tagging Extension documentation for the arm64 linux
> > > > > kernel support.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>
> > > > > Co-developed-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > > > Acked-by: Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>
> > > >
> > > > I'm taking this to mean that Szabolcs is happy with the proposed ABI --
> > > > please shout if that's not the case!
> > >
> > > I think Szabolcs is still on holiday. To summarise the past threads,
> > > AFAICT he's happy with this per-thread control ABI but the discussion
> > > went on whether to expand it in the future (with a new bit) to
> > > synchronise the tag checking mode across all threads of a process. This
> > > adds some complications for the kernel as it needs an IPI to the other
> > > CPUs to set SCTLR_EL1 and it's also racy with multiple threads
> > > requesting different modes.
> > >
> > > Now, in the glibc land, if the tag check mode is controlled via
> > > environment variables, the dynamic loader can set this at process start
> > > while still in single-threaded mode and not touch it at run-time. The
> > > MTE checking can still be enabled at run-time, per mapped memory range
> > > via the PROT_MTE flag. This approach doesn't require any additional
> > > changes to the current patches. But it's for Szabolcs to confirm once
> > > he's back.
> > >
> > > > Wasn't there a man page kicking around too? Would be good to see that
> > > > go upstream (to the manpages project, of course).
> > >
> > > Dave started writing one for the tagged address ABI, not sure where that
> > > is. For the MTE additions, we are waiting for the ABI to be upstreamed.
> >
> > The tagged address ABI control stuff is upstream in the man-pages-5.08
> > release.
> >
> > I don't think anyone drafted anything for MTE yet.  Do we consider the
> > MTE ABI to be sufficiently stable now for it to be worth starting
> > drafting something?
>
> I think so, yes. I'm hoping to queue it for 5.10, once I have an Ack from
> the Android tools side on the per-thread ABI.

Our main requirement on the Android side is to provide an API for
changing the tag checking mode in all threads in a process while
multiple threads are running. I think we've been able to accomplish
this [1] by using a libc private real-time signal which is sent to all
threads. The implementation has been tested on FVP via the included
unit tests. The code has also been tested on real hardware in a
multi-threaded app process (of course we don't have MTE-enabled
hardware, so the implementation was tested on hardware by hacking it
to disable the tagged address ABI instead of changing the tag checking
mode, and then verifying via ptrace(PTRACE_GETREGSET) that the tagged
address ABI was disabled in all threads).

That being said, as with any code at the nexus of concurrency and
POSIX signals, the implementation is quite tricky so I would say it
falls more into the category of "no obvious problems" than "obviously
no problems". It also relies on changes to the implementations of
pthread APIs so it wouldn't catch threads created directly via clone()
rather than via pthread_create(). I think we would be able to ignore
such threads on Android without causing compatibility issues because
we can require the process to not create threads via clone() before
calling the function. I imagine this may not necessarily work for
other libcs like glibc, though, but as I understand it glibc has no
plan to offer such an API.

I feel confident enough in the kernel API though that I think that
it's reasonable as a starting point at least, and that if a problem
with the API is discovered I would expect it to be fixable by adding
new APIs, so:

Acked-by: Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>

Peter

[1] https://android-review.googlesource.com/c/platform/bionic/+/1427377

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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-04 10:30 [PATCH v9 00/29] arm64: Memory Tagging Extension user-space support Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 01/29] arm64: mte: system register definitions Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 02/29] arm64: mte: Use Normal Tagged attributes for the linear map Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 03/29] arm64: mte: CPU feature detection and initial sysreg configuration Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 04/29] arm64: kvm: mte: Hide the MTE CPUID information from the guests Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:46   ` Marc Zyngier
2020-09-04 10:46     ` Marc Zyngier
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 05/29] arm64: mte: Add specific SIGSEGV codes Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 06/29] arm64: mte: Handle synchronous and asynchronous tag check faults Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 07/29] mm: Add PG_arch_2 page flag Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 08/29] mm: Preserve the PG_arch_2 flag in __split_huge_page_tail() Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 09/29] arm64: mte: Clear the tags when a page is mapped in user-space with PROT_MTE Catalin Marinas
2020-09-10 10:23   ` Steven Price
2020-09-10 10:23     ` Steven Price
2020-09-10 10:52     ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-10 10:52       ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-10 11:12       ` Steven Price
2020-09-10 11:12         ` Steven Price
2020-09-10 11:55         ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-10 11:55           ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-10 12:43           ` Steven Price
2020-09-10 12:43             ` Steven Price
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 10/29] arm64: mte: Tags-aware copy_{user_,}highpage() implementations Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 11/29] arm64: Avoid unnecessary clear_user_page() indirection Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 12/29] arm64: mte: Tags-aware aware memcmp_pages() implementation Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 13/29] mm: Introduce arch_calc_vm_flag_bits() Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 14/29] arm64: mte: Add PROT_MTE support to mmap() and mprotect() Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 15/29] mm: Introduce arch_validate_flags() Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 16/29] arm64: mte: Validate the PROT_MTE request via arch_validate_flags() Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 17/29] mm: Allow arm64 mmap(PROT_MTE) on RAM-based files Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 18/29] arm64: mte: Allow user control of the tag check mode via prctl() Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 19/29] arm64: mte: Allow user control of the generated random tags " Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 20/29] arm64: mte: Restore the GCR_EL1 register after a suspend Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 21/29] arm64: mte: Allow {set,get}_tagged_addr_ctrl() on non-current tasks Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 22/29] arm64: mte: ptrace: Add PTRACE_{PEEK,POKE}MTETAGS support Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 23/29] arm64: mte: ptrace: Add NT_ARM_TAGGED_ADDR_CTRL regset Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 24/29] fs: Handle intra-page faults in copy_mount_options() Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 25/29] mm: Add arch hooks for saving/restoring tags Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 26/29] arm64: mte: Enable swap of tagged pages Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 27/29] arm64: mte: Save tags when hibernating Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 28/29] arm64: mte: Kconfig entry Catalin Marinas
2020-09-04 10:30 ` [PATCH v9 29/29] arm64: mte: Add Memory Tagging Extension documentation Catalin Marinas
2020-09-17  8:11   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-17  8:11     ` Will Deacon
2020-09-17  9:02     ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-17  9:02       ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-17 16:15       ` Dave Martin
2020-09-17 16:15         ` Dave Martin
2020-09-18  8:30         ` Will Deacon
2020-09-18  8:30           ` Will Deacon
2020-10-14 23:43           ` Peter Collingbourne [this message]
2020-10-14 23:43             ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-10-14 23:43             ` Peter Collingbourne
2020-10-15  8:57             ` Will Deacon
2020-10-15  8:57               ` Will Deacon
2020-10-15 11:14             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-10-15 11:14               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-09-22 16:04         ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-22 16:04           ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-22 15:52       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-09-22 15:52         ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-09-22 16:55         ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-22 16:55           ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-23  9:10           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-09-23  9:10             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-09-22 12:22   ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-09-22 12:22     ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-09-22 12:22     ` Andrey Konovalov

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