From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Cc: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
alexander.deucher@amd.com, daniel@ffwll.ch,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
hughd@google.com, andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/13] mm: shmem: provide oom badness for shmem files
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 15:15:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yqnba1E2FSRVUATY@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e170201-35df-cfcc-8d07-2f9693278829@amd.com>
On Wed 15-06-22 14:35:22, Christian König wrote:
[...]
> Even the classic mm_struct based accounting includes MM_SHMEMPAGES into the
> badness. So accounting shared resources as badness to make a decision is
> nothing new here.
Yeah, it is nothing really new but it also doesn't mean it is an example
worth following as this doesn't really work currently. Also please note
that MM_SHMEMPAGES is counting at least something process specific as
those pages are mapped in to the process (and with enough of wishful
thinking unmapping can drop the last reference and free something up
actually) . With generic per-file memory this is even more detached from
process.
> The difference is that this time the badness doesn't come from the memory
> management subsystem, but rather from the I/O subsystem.
>
> > This is also the reason why I am not really fan of the per file
> > badness because it adds a notion of resource that is not process bound
> > in general so it will add all sorts of weird runtime corner cases which
> > are impossible to anticipate [*]. Maybe that will work in some scenarios
> > but definitely not something to be done by default without users opting
> > into that and being aware of consequences.
>
> Would a kernel command line option to control the behavior be helpful here?
I am not sure what would be the proper way to control that that would be
future extensible. Kernel command line is certainly and option but if we
want to extend that to module like or eBPF interface then it wouldn't
stand a future test very quickly.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Cc: andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
hughd@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
"Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, alexander.deucher@amd.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 03/13] mm: shmem: provide oom badness for shmem files
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 15:15:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yqnba1E2FSRVUATY@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e170201-35df-cfcc-8d07-2f9693278829@amd.com>
On Wed 15-06-22 14:35:22, Christian König wrote:
[...]
> Even the classic mm_struct based accounting includes MM_SHMEMPAGES into the
> badness. So accounting shared resources as badness to make a decision is
> nothing new here.
Yeah, it is nothing really new but it also doesn't mean it is an example
worth following as this doesn't really work currently. Also please note
that MM_SHMEMPAGES is counting at least something process specific as
those pages are mapped in to the process (and with enough of wishful
thinking unmapping can drop the last reference and free something up
actually) . With generic per-file memory this is even more detached from
process.
> The difference is that this time the badness doesn't come from the memory
> management subsystem, but rather from the I/O subsystem.
>
> > This is also the reason why I am not really fan of the per file
> > badness because it adds a notion of resource that is not process bound
> > in general so it will add all sorts of weird runtime corner cases which
> > are impossible to anticipate [*]. Maybe that will work in some scenarios
> > but definitely not something to be done by default without users opting
> > into that and being aware of consequences.
>
> Would a kernel command line option to control the behavior be helpful here?
I am not sure what would be the proper way to control that that would be
future extensible. Kernel command line is certainly and option but if we
want to extend that to module like or eBPF interface then it wouldn't
stand a future test very quickly.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Cc: andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
hughd@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, daniel@ffwll.ch,
"Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, alexander.deucher@amd.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/13] mm: shmem: provide oom badness for shmem files
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 15:15:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yqnba1E2FSRVUATY@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e170201-35df-cfcc-8d07-2f9693278829@amd.com>
On Wed 15-06-22 14:35:22, Christian König wrote:
[...]
> Even the classic mm_struct based accounting includes MM_SHMEMPAGES into the
> badness. So accounting shared resources as badness to make a decision is
> nothing new here.
Yeah, it is nothing really new but it also doesn't mean it is an example
worth following as this doesn't really work currently. Also please note
that MM_SHMEMPAGES is counting at least something process specific as
those pages are mapped in to the process (and with enough of wishful
thinking unmapping can drop the last reference and free something up
actually) . With generic per-file memory this is even more detached from
process.
> The difference is that this time the badness doesn't come from the memory
> management subsystem, but rather from the I/O subsystem.
>
> > This is also the reason why I am not really fan of the per file
> > badness because it adds a notion of resource that is not process bound
> > in general so it will add all sorts of weird runtime corner cases which
> > are impossible to anticipate [*]. Maybe that will work in some scenarios
> > but definitely not something to be done by default without users opting
> > into that and being aware of consequences.
>
> Would a kernel command line option to control the behavior be helpful here?
I am not sure what would be the proper way to control that that would be
future extensible. Kernel command line is certainly and option but if we
want to extend that to module like or eBPF interface then it wouldn't
stand a future test very quickly.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Cc: andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
hughd@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, daniel@ffwll.ch,
"Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, alexander.deucher@amd.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Nouveau] [PATCH 03/13] mm: shmem: provide oom badness for shmem files
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 15:15:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yqnba1E2FSRVUATY@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e170201-35df-cfcc-8d07-2f9693278829@amd.com>
On Wed 15-06-22 14:35:22, Christian König wrote:
[...]
> Even the classic mm_struct based accounting includes MM_SHMEMPAGES into the
> badness. So accounting shared resources as badness to make a decision is
> nothing new here.
Yeah, it is nothing really new but it also doesn't mean it is an example
worth following as this doesn't really work currently. Also please note
that MM_SHMEMPAGES is counting at least something process specific as
those pages are mapped in to the process (and with enough of wishful
thinking unmapping can drop the last reference and free something up
actually) . With generic per-file memory this is even more detached from
process.
> The difference is that this time the badness doesn't come from the memory
> management subsystem, but rather from the I/O subsystem.
>
> > This is also the reason why I am not really fan of the per file
> > badness because it adds a notion of resource that is not process bound
> > in general so it will add all sorts of weird runtime corner cases which
> > are impossible to anticipate [*]. Maybe that will work in some scenarios
> > but definitely not something to be done by default without users opting
> > into that and being aware of consequences.
>
> Would a kernel command line option to control the behavior be helpful here?
I am not sure what would be the proper way to control that that would be
future extensible. Kernel command line is certainly and option but if we
want to extend that to module like or eBPF interface then it wouldn't
stand a future test very quickly.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-06-15 13:15 UTC|newest]
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2022-05-31 9:59 Per file OOM badness Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [PATCH 01/13] fs: add OOM badness callback to file_operatrations struct Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [PATCH 02/13] oom: take per file badness into account Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [PATCH 03/13] mm: shmem: provide oom badness for shmem files Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-09 9:18 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 9:18 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 9:18 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 9:18 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 12:16 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 12:16 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 12:16 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-09 12:16 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-09 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 12:57 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 12:57 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 14:10 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 14:10 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 14:10 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-09 14:21 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 14:21 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 14:21 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 14:21 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 14:29 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 14:29 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 14:29 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-09 14:29 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-09 15:07 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 15:07 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 15:07 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 15:07 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 10:58 ` Christian König
2022-06-10 10:58 ` Christian König
2022-06-10 10:58 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-10 11:44 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 11:44 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 11:44 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 11:44 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 12:17 ` Christian König
2022-06-10 12:17 ` Christian König
2022-06-10 12:17 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-10 12:17 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-10 14:16 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 14:16 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 14:16 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-10 14:16 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-11 8:06 ` Christian König
2022-06-11 8:06 ` Christian König
2022-06-11 8:06 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-11 8:06 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-13 7:45 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 7:45 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 7:45 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 7:45 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 11:50 ` Christian König
2022-06-13 11:50 ` Christian König
2022-06-13 11:50 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-13 11:50 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-13 12:11 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 12:11 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 12:11 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 12:11 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 12:55 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-13 12:55 ` Christian König
2022-06-13 12:55 ` Christian König
2022-06-13 12:55 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-13 14:11 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 14:11 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 14:11 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-13 14:11 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-15 12:35 ` Christian König
2022-06-15 12:35 ` Christian König
2022-06-15 12:35 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-15 12:35 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-15 13:15 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2022-06-15 13:15 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-15 13:15 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-15 13:15 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-15 14:24 ` Christian König
2022-06-15 14:24 ` Christian König
2022-06-15 14:24 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-15 14:24 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-13 9:08 ` Michel Dänzer
2022-06-13 9:08 ` [Nouveau] " Michel Dänzer
2022-06-13 9:08 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michel Dänzer
2022-06-13 9:08 ` Michel Dänzer
2022-06-13 9:11 ` Christian König
2022-06-13 9:11 ` Christian König
2022-06-13 9:11 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-13 9:11 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-09 15:19 ` Felix Kuehling
2022-06-09 15:19 ` Felix Kuehling
2022-06-09 15:19 ` [Intel-gfx] " Felix Kuehling
2022-06-09 15:19 ` [Nouveau] " Felix Kuehling
2022-06-09 15:22 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 15:22 ` Christian König
2022-06-09 15:22 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-06-09 15:22 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-06-09 15:54 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 15:54 ` [Nouveau] " Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 15:54 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-09 15:54 ` [Intel-gfx] " Michal Hocko
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [PATCH 04/13] dma-buf: provide oom badness for DMA-buf files Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [PATCH 05/13] drm/gem: adjust per file OOM badness on handling buffers Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 9:59 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 06/13] drm/gma500: use drm_oom_badness Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 07/13] drm/amdgpu: Use drm_oom_badness for amdgpu Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 08/13] drm/radeon: use drm_oom_badness Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 09/13] drm/i915: " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 10/13] drm/nouveau: " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 11/13] drm/omap: " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 12/13] drm/vmwgfx: " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [PATCH 13/13] drm/tegra: " Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` Christian König
2022-05-31 10:00 ` [Nouveau] " Christian König
2022-05-31 22:00 ` Per file OOM badness Alex Deucher
2022-05-31 22:00 ` Alex Deucher
2022-05-31 22:00 ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher
2022-05-31 22:00 ` Alex Deucher
2022-05-31 22:00 ` [Nouveau] " Alex Deucher
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