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From: Keqian Zhu <zhukeqian1@huawei.com>
To: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Yi Sun <yi.y.sun@linux.intel.com>,
	"Jean-Philippe Brucker" <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Tian Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	<wanghaibin.wang@huawei.com>, <jiangkunkun@huawei.com>,
	<yuzenghui@huawei.com>, <lushenming@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/12] iommu: Add iommu_split_block interface
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:32:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a09830f8-b08f-9b80-8f75-17f13088ff6d@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c34baf1-6a57-5666-38a2-0c9d6188b8b8@linux.intel.com>

Hi Baolu,

Cheers for the your quick reply.

On 2021/4/20 10:09, Lu Baolu wrote:
> Hi Keqian,
> 
> On 4/20/21 9:25 AM, Keqian Zhu wrote:
>> Hi Baolu,
>>
>> On 2021/4/19 21:33, Lu Baolu wrote:
>>> Hi Keqian,
>>>
>>> On 2021/4/19 17:32, Keqian Zhu wrote:
>>>>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(iommu_split_block);
>>>>> Do you really have any consumers of this interface other than the dirty
>>>>> bit tracking? If not, I don't suggest to make this as a generic IOMMU
>>>>> interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is an implicit requirement for such interfaces. The
>>>>> iommu_map/unmap(iova, size) shouldn't be called at the same time.
>>>>> Currently there's no such sanity check in the iommu core. A poorly
>>>>> written driver could mess up the kernel by misusing this interface.
>>>> Yes, I don't think up a scenario except dirty tracking.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, we'd better not make them as a generic interface.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any suggestion that underlying iommu drivers can share these code but
>>>> not make it as a generic iommu interface?
>>>>
>>>> I have a not so good idea. Make the "split" interfaces as a static function, and
>>>> transfer the function pointer to start_dirty_log. But it looks weird and inflexible.
>>>
>>> I understand splitting/merging super pages is an optimization, but not a
>>> functional requirement. So is it possible to let the vendor iommu driver
>>> decide whether splitting super pages when starting dirty bit tracking
>>> and the opposite operation during when stopping it? The requirement for
>> Right. If I understand you correct, actually that is what this series does.
> 
> I mean to say no generic APIs, jut do it by the iommu subsystem itself.
> It's totally transparent to the upper level, just like what map() does.
> The upper layer doesn't care about either super page or small page is
> in use when do a mapping, right?
> 
> If you want to consolidate some code, how about putting them in
> start/stop_tracking()?

Yep, this reminds me. What we want to reuse is the logic of "chunk by chunk" in split().
We can implement switch_dirty_log to be "chunk by chunk" too (just the same as sync/clear),
then the vendor iommu driver can invoke it's own private implementation of split().
So we can completely remove split() in the IOMMU core layer.

example code logic

iommu.c:
switch_dirty_log(big range) {
    for_each_iommu_page(big range) {
          ops->switch_dirty_log(iommu_pgsize)
    }
}

vendor iommu driver:
switch_dirty_log(iommu_pgsize) {

    if (enable) {
        ops->split_block(iommu_pgsize)
        /* And other actions, such as enable hardware capability */
    } else {
        for_each_continuous_physical_address(iommu_pgsize)
            ops->merge_page()
    }
}

Besides, vendor iommu driver can invoke split() in clear_dirty_log instead of in switch_dirty_log.
The benefit is that we usually clear dirty log gradually during dirty tracking, then we can split
large page mapping gradually, which speedup start_dirty_log and make less side effect on DMA performance.

Does it looks good for you?

Thanks,
Keqian

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Keqian Zhu <zhukeqian1@huawei.com>
To: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Yi Sun <yi.y.sun@linux.intel.com>,
	"Jean-Philippe Brucker" <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Tian Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: jiangkunkun@huawei.com, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	lushenming@huawei.com,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	wanghaibin.wang@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/12] iommu: Add iommu_split_block interface
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:32:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a09830f8-b08f-9b80-8f75-17f13088ff6d@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c34baf1-6a57-5666-38a2-0c9d6188b8b8@linux.intel.com>

Hi Baolu,

Cheers for the your quick reply.

On 2021/4/20 10:09, Lu Baolu wrote:
> Hi Keqian,
> 
> On 4/20/21 9:25 AM, Keqian Zhu wrote:
>> Hi Baolu,
>>
>> On 2021/4/19 21:33, Lu Baolu wrote:
>>> Hi Keqian,
>>>
>>> On 2021/4/19 17:32, Keqian Zhu wrote:
>>>>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(iommu_split_block);
>>>>> Do you really have any consumers of this interface other than the dirty
>>>>> bit tracking? If not, I don't suggest to make this as a generic IOMMU
>>>>> interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is an implicit requirement for such interfaces. The
>>>>> iommu_map/unmap(iova, size) shouldn't be called at the same time.
>>>>> Currently there's no such sanity check in the iommu core. A poorly
>>>>> written driver could mess up the kernel by misusing this interface.
>>>> Yes, I don't think up a scenario except dirty tracking.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, we'd better not make them as a generic interface.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any suggestion that underlying iommu drivers can share these code but
>>>> not make it as a generic iommu interface?
>>>>
>>>> I have a not so good idea. Make the "split" interfaces as a static function, and
>>>> transfer the function pointer to start_dirty_log. But it looks weird and inflexible.
>>>
>>> I understand splitting/merging super pages is an optimization, but not a
>>> functional requirement. So is it possible to let the vendor iommu driver
>>> decide whether splitting super pages when starting dirty bit tracking
>>> and the opposite operation during when stopping it? The requirement for
>> Right. If I understand you correct, actually that is what this series does.
> 
> I mean to say no generic APIs, jut do it by the iommu subsystem itself.
> It's totally transparent to the upper level, just like what map() does.
> The upper layer doesn't care about either super page or small page is
> in use when do a mapping, right?
> 
> If you want to consolidate some code, how about putting them in
> start/stop_tracking()?

Yep, this reminds me. What we want to reuse is the logic of "chunk by chunk" in split().
We can implement switch_dirty_log to be "chunk by chunk" too (just the same as sync/clear),
then the vendor iommu driver can invoke it's own private implementation of split().
So we can completely remove split() in the IOMMU core layer.

example code logic

iommu.c:
switch_dirty_log(big range) {
    for_each_iommu_page(big range) {
          ops->switch_dirty_log(iommu_pgsize)
    }
}

vendor iommu driver:
switch_dirty_log(iommu_pgsize) {

    if (enable) {
        ops->split_block(iommu_pgsize)
        /* And other actions, such as enable hardware capability */
    } else {
        for_each_continuous_physical_address(iommu_pgsize)
            ops->merge_page()
    }
}

Besides, vendor iommu driver can invoke split() in clear_dirty_log instead of in switch_dirty_log.
The benefit is that we usually clear dirty log gradually during dirty tracking, then we can split
large page mapping gradually, which speedup start_dirty_log and make less side effect on DMA performance.

Does it looks good for you?

Thanks,
Keqian
_______________________________________________
iommu mailing list
iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Keqian Zhu <zhukeqian1@huawei.com>
To: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Yi Sun <yi.y.sun@linux.intel.com>,
	"Jean-Philippe Brucker" <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Tian Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	<wanghaibin.wang@huawei.com>, <jiangkunkun@huawei.com>,
	<yuzenghui@huawei.com>, <lushenming@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/12] iommu: Add iommu_split_block interface
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:32:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a09830f8-b08f-9b80-8f75-17f13088ff6d@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c34baf1-6a57-5666-38a2-0c9d6188b8b8@linux.intel.com>

Hi Baolu,

Cheers for the your quick reply.

On 2021/4/20 10:09, Lu Baolu wrote:
> Hi Keqian,
> 
> On 4/20/21 9:25 AM, Keqian Zhu wrote:
>> Hi Baolu,
>>
>> On 2021/4/19 21:33, Lu Baolu wrote:
>>> Hi Keqian,
>>>
>>> On 2021/4/19 17:32, Keqian Zhu wrote:
>>>>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(iommu_split_block);
>>>>> Do you really have any consumers of this interface other than the dirty
>>>>> bit tracking? If not, I don't suggest to make this as a generic IOMMU
>>>>> interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is an implicit requirement for such interfaces. The
>>>>> iommu_map/unmap(iova, size) shouldn't be called at the same time.
>>>>> Currently there's no such sanity check in the iommu core. A poorly
>>>>> written driver could mess up the kernel by misusing this interface.
>>>> Yes, I don't think up a scenario except dirty tracking.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, we'd better not make them as a generic interface.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any suggestion that underlying iommu drivers can share these code but
>>>> not make it as a generic iommu interface?
>>>>
>>>> I have a not so good idea. Make the "split" interfaces as a static function, and
>>>> transfer the function pointer to start_dirty_log. But it looks weird and inflexible.
>>>
>>> I understand splitting/merging super pages is an optimization, but not a
>>> functional requirement. So is it possible to let the vendor iommu driver
>>> decide whether splitting super pages when starting dirty bit tracking
>>> and the opposite operation during when stopping it? The requirement for
>> Right. If I understand you correct, actually that is what this series does.
> 
> I mean to say no generic APIs, jut do it by the iommu subsystem itself.
> It's totally transparent to the upper level, just like what map() does.
> The upper layer doesn't care about either super page or small page is
> in use when do a mapping, right?
> 
> If you want to consolidate some code, how about putting them in
> start/stop_tracking()?

Yep, this reminds me. What we want to reuse is the logic of "chunk by chunk" in split().
We can implement switch_dirty_log to be "chunk by chunk" too (just the same as sync/clear),
then the vendor iommu driver can invoke it's own private implementation of split().
So we can completely remove split() in the IOMMU core layer.

example code logic

iommu.c:
switch_dirty_log(big range) {
    for_each_iommu_page(big range) {
          ops->switch_dirty_log(iommu_pgsize)
    }
}

vendor iommu driver:
switch_dirty_log(iommu_pgsize) {

    if (enable) {
        ops->split_block(iommu_pgsize)
        /* And other actions, such as enable hardware capability */
    } else {
        for_each_continuous_physical_address(iommu_pgsize)
            ops->merge_page()
    }
}

Besides, vendor iommu driver can invoke split() in clear_dirty_log instead of in switch_dirty_log.
The benefit is that we usually clear dirty log gradually during dirty tracking, then we can split
large page mapping gradually, which speedup start_dirty_log and make less side effect on DMA performance.

Does it looks good for you?

Thanks,
Keqian

_______________________________________________
linux-arm-kernel mailing list
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-20  7:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-13  8:54 [PATCH v3 00/12] iommu/smmuv3: Implement hardware dirty log tracking Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 01/12] iommu: Introduce dirty log tracking framework Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-14  7:00   ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-14  7:00     ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-14  7:00     ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-15  6:18     ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-15  6:18       ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-15  6:18       ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-15  7:03       ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-15  7:03         ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-15  7:03         ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-15  7:43         ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-15  7:43           ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-15  7:43           ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-15 10:21           ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-15 10:21             ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-15 10:21             ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-16  9:07             ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-16  9:07               ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-16  9:07               ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-19  1:59               ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-19  1:59                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-19  1:59                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 02/12] iommu: Add iommu_split_block interface Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-14  7:14   ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-14  7:14     ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-14  7:14     ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-19  9:32     ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-19  9:32       ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-19  9:32       ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-19 13:33       ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-19 13:33         ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-19 13:33         ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-20  1:25         ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-20  1:25           ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-20  1:25           ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-20  2:09           ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-20  2:09             ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-20  2:09             ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-20  7:32             ` Keqian Zhu [this message]
2021-04-20  7:32               ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-20  7:32               ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-20  7:53               ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-20  7:53                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-20  7:53                 ` Lu Baolu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 03/12] iommu: Add iommu_merge_page interface Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 04/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add support for Hardware Translation Table Update Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 05/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Enable HTTU for stage1 with io-pgtable mapping Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 06/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add feature detection for BBML Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 07/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Realize split_block iommu ops Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 08/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Realize merge_page " Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 09/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Realize switch_dirty_log " Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 10/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Realize sync_dirty_log " Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 11/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Realize clear_dirty_log " Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54 ` [PATCH v3 12/12] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add HWDBM device feature reporting Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu
2021-04-13  8:54   ` Keqian Zhu

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