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From: Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@ti.com>
To: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
Cc: Sebastian Reichel <sebastian.reichel@collabora.co.uk>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Sekhar Nori <nsekhar@ti.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Ravikumar Kattekola <rk@ti.com>,
	"linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-omap <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/5] dt-bindings: sdhci-omap: Add bindings for the sdhci-omap controller
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:22:55 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <06199a7e-456d-708d-6f2f-81f6bbfea2ba@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170829173913.GD6008@atomide.com>

Hi,

On Tuesday 29 August 2017 11:09 PM, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> [170829 10:09]:
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 06:58:23AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote:
>>> * Sebastian Reichel <sebastian.reichel@collabora.co.uk> [170829 04:51]:
>>>> I would expect the conversion to look like the one done for UART,
>>>> see CONFIG_SERIAL_OMAP vs CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_OMAP. Both use the
>>>> same compatible value and you can choose using kernel configuration.
>>>
>>> That does not work unfortunately :( We are now stuck in a situation
>>> where two drivers are attempting to probe with the same compatible
>>> and we can't enable 8250_OMAP because of the user space breakage
>>> with the device names. And I'm actuallly thinking we should add a
>>> new compatible for 8250-omap to be able to start enabling it one
>>> board at a time.
>>
>> Is that the only problem? Presumably, the SD driver doesn't have a 
>> userspace facing issue.
> 
> No userspace issue with the sdhci-omap. But the sdhci-omap driver
> still has the issue of trying enable it for everything at once and
> expect everything to work. The sdhci-omap driver can already be
> used for boards that don't need power management for example, but
> will break things for devices running on batteries.
> 
>>> It's best to enable devices to use the new compatible as things are
>>> tested rather than hope for some magic "flag day" flip that might
>>> never happen. Having two days attempting to probe with the same
>>> binding just won't work.
>>
>> Aren't you just picking whether the flag day is in DT or the kernel? I 
>> guess you're assuming one kernel build and it would be switching all 
>> boards at one. 
> 
> Right, this would be risky and would take unnecessarily long
> to use the new driver on boards that can already use it. While
> power management won't work yet, I'd expect the sdhci-omap be
> faster on SoCs that can do ADMA.
> 
>>> So yeah, I agree with Kishon that we should stick with generic
>>> and sdhci bindings. And then we can start already using it for
>>> boards that can use it, then eventually when we're ready, start
>>> parsing also the legacy bindings and maybe drop the old driver.
>>
>> I assume there are some other common properties you would switch to in 
>> the transition?  You could make the legacy driver bail from probe based 
>> on presence or absence of other properties. Or you could just blacklist 
>> converted platforms in the legacy driver. The point is that the problems 
>> are solvable in the kernel.
> 
> Yes this could be done too. But let's enable it on per-board
> basis rather than attempt to flip it on at once.
> 
>> But if your really want a new compatible, I don't really care. It's 
>> only one device.
> 
> Both a new compatible or a check for some resource work just fine
> for me as long as the driver can be selected on per-board basis.

New compatible sounds simpler to me since it allows to select a driver per-MMC
instance. (SDIO support is not added/validated in sdhci-omap).

To summarize, we'll create new compatible and new bindings for sdhci-omap and
start enabling sdhci-omap on per-board basis. When all the TI platforms starts
to use sdhci-omap, omap-hsmmc will be removed at which point support for old
compatible and old dt bindings will be added to sdhci-omap.c. Does this sound
reasonable?

Thanks
Kishon

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@ti.com>
To: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
Cc: "devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	"linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sekhar Nori <nsekhar@ti.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Ravikumar Kattekola <rk@ti.com>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sebastian.reichel@collabora.co.uk>,
	linux-omap <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/5] dt-bindings: sdhci-omap: Add bindings for the sdhci-omap controller
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:22:55 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <06199a7e-456d-708d-6f2f-81f6bbfea2ba@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170829173913.GD6008@atomide.com>

Hi,

On Tuesday 29 August 2017 11:09 PM, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> [170829 10:09]:
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 06:58:23AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote:
>>> * Sebastian Reichel <sebastian.reichel@collabora.co.uk> [170829 04:51]:
>>>> I would expect the conversion to look like the one done for UART,
>>>> see CONFIG_SERIAL_OMAP vs CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_OMAP. Both use the
>>>> same compatible value and you can choose using kernel configuration.
>>>
>>> That does not work unfortunately :( We are now stuck in a situation
>>> where two drivers are attempting to probe with the same compatible
>>> and we can't enable 8250_OMAP because of the user space breakage
>>> with the device names. And I'm actuallly thinking we should add a
>>> new compatible for 8250-omap to be able to start enabling it one
>>> board at a time.
>>
>> Is that the only problem? Presumably, the SD driver doesn't have a 
>> userspace facing issue.
> 
> No userspace issue with the sdhci-omap. But the sdhci-omap driver
> still has the issue of trying enable it for everything at once and
> expect everything to work. The sdhci-omap driver can already be
> used for boards that don't need power management for example, but
> will break things for devices running on batteries.
> 
>>> It's best to enable devices to use the new compatible as things are
>>> tested rather than hope for some magic "flag day" flip that might
>>> never happen. Having two days attempting to probe with the same
>>> binding just won't work.
>>
>> Aren't you just picking whether the flag day is in DT or the kernel? I 
>> guess you're assuming one kernel build and it would be switching all 
>> boards at one. 
> 
> Right, this would be risky and would take unnecessarily long
> to use the new driver on boards that can already use it. While
> power management won't work yet, I'd expect the sdhci-omap be
> faster on SoCs that can do ADMA.
> 
>>> So yeah, I agree with Kishon that we should stick with generic
>>> and sdhci bindings. And then we can start already using it for
>>> boards that can use it, then eventually when we're ready, start
>>> parsing also the legacy bindings and maybe drop the old driver.
>>
>> I assume there are some other common properties you would switch to in 
>> the transition?  You could make the legacy driver bail from probe based 
>> on presence or absence of other properties. Or you could just blacklist 
>> converted platforms in the legacy driver. The point is that the problems 
>> are solvable in the kernel.
> 
> Yes this could be done too. But let's enable it on per-board
> basis rather than attempt to flip it on at once.
> 
>> But if your really want a new compatible, I don't really care. It's 
>> only one device.
> 
> Both a new compatible or a check for some resource work just fine
> for me as long as the driver can be selected on per-board basis.

New compatible sounds simpler to me since it allows to select a driver per-MMC
instance. (SDIO support is not added/validated in sdhci-omap).

To summarize, we'll create new compatible and new bindings for sdhci-omap and
start enabling sdhci-omap on per-board basis. When all the TI platforms starts
to use sdhci-omap, omap-hsmmc will be removed at which point support for old
compatible and old dt bindings will be added to sdhci-omap.c. Does this sound
reasonable?

Thanks
Kishon

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: kishon@ti.com (Kishon Vijay Abraham I)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 3/5] dt-bindings: sdhci-omap: Add bindings for the sdhci-omap controller
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:22:55 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <06199a7e-456d-708d-6f2f-81f6bbfea2ba@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170829173913.GD6008@atomide.com>

Hi,

On Tuesday 29 August 2017 11:09 PM, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> [170829 10:09]:
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 06:58:23AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote:
>>> * Sebastian Reichel <sebastian.reichel@collabora.co.uk> [170829 04:51]:
>>>> I would expect the conversion to look like the one done for UART,
>>>> see CONFIG_SERIAL_OMAP vs CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_OMAP. Both use the
>>>> same compatible value and you can choose using kernel configuration.
>>>
>>> That does not work unfortunately :( We are now stuck in a situation
>>> where two drivers are attempting to probe with the same compatible
>>> and we can't enable 8250_OMAP because of the user space breakage
>>> with the device names. And I'm actuallly thinking we should add a
>>> new compatible for 8250-omap to be able to start enabling it one
>>> board at a time.
>>
>> Is that the only problem? Presumably, the SD driver doesn't have a 
>> userspace facing issue.
> 
> No userspace issue with the sdhci-omap. But the sdhci-omap driver
> still has the issue of trying enable it for everything at once and
> expect everything to work. The sdhci-omap driver can already be
> used for boards that don't need power management for example, but
> will break things for devices running on batteries.
> 
>>> It's best to enable devices to use the new compatible as things are
>>> tested rather than hope for some magic "flag day" flip that might
>>> never happen. Having two days attempting to probe with the same
>>> binding just won't work.
>>
>> Aren't you just picking whether the flag day is in DT or the kernel? I 
>> guess you're assuming one kernel build and it would be switching all 
>> boards at one. 
> 
> Right, this would be risky and would take unnecessarily long
> to use the new driver on boards that can already use it. While
> power management won't work yet, I'd expect the sdhci-omap be
> faster on SoCs that can do ADMA.
> 
>>> So yeah, I agree with Kishon that we should stick with generic
>>> and sdhci bindings. And then we can start already using it for
>>> boards that can use it, then eventually when we're ready, start
>>> parsing also the legacy bindings and maybe drop the old driver.
>>
>> I assume there are some other common properties you would switch to in 
>> the transition?  You could make the legacy driver bail from probe based 
>> on presence or absence of other properties. Or you could just blacklist 
>> converted platforms in the legacy driver. The point is that the problems 
>> are solvable in the kernel.
> 
> Yes this could be done too. But let's enable it on per-board
> basis rather than attempt to flip it on at once.
> 
>> But if your really want a new compatible, I don't really care. It's 
>> only one device.
> 
> Both a new compatible or a check for some resource work just fine
> for me as long as the driver can be selected on per-board basis.

New compatible sounds simpler to me since it allows to select a driver per-MMC
instance. (SDIO support is not added/validated in sdhci-omap).

To summarize, we'll create new compatible and new bindings for sdhci-omap and
start enabling sdhci-omap on per-board basis. When all the TI platforms starts
to use sdhci-omap, omap-hsmmc will be removed at which point support for old
compatible and old dt bindings will be added to sdhci-omap.c. Does this sound
reasonable?

Thanks
Kishon

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-05  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-21  7:41 [PATCH 0/5] mmc: Add OMAP SDHCI driver Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41 ` [PATCH 1/5] mmc: sdhci: Tidy reading 136-bit responses Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-30 13:13   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-30 13:13     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-30 13:13     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-21  7:41 ` [PATCH 2/5] mmc: sdhci: Add quirk to indicate MMC_RSP_136 has CRC Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-28  7:57   ` Adrian Hunter
2017-08-28  7:57     ` Adrian Hunter
2017-08-30 13:13   ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-30 13:13     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-30 13:13     ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-21  7:41 ` [PATCH 3/5] dt-bindings: ti-omap-hsmmc: Document new compatible for sdhci omap Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21 14:21   ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-21 14:21     ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-22 13:39     ` [PATCH v2 3/5] dt-bindings: sdhci-omap: Add bindings for the sdhci-omap controller Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-22 13:39       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-22 13:39       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-22 17:39       ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-22 17:39         ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-23  5:42     ` [PATCH v3 " Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-23  5:42       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-23  5:42       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-23 13:07       ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 13:07         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 13:07         ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-23 13:56         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-23 13:56           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-23 13:56           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-24 11:29           ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-24 11:29             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-24 11:29             ` Ulf Hansson
2017-08-29 11:20             ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-29 11:20               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-29 11:20               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-29 11:50               ` Sebastian Reichel
2017-08-29 11:50                 ` Sebastian Reichel
2017-08-29 11:50                 ` Sebastian Reichel
2017-08-29 13:58                 ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 13:58                   ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 13:58                   ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 14:43                   ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 14:43                     ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 14:43                     ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 17:09                   ` Rob Herring
2017-08-29 17:09                     ` Rob Herring
2017-08-29 17:09                     ` Rob Herring
2017-08-29 17:39                     ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 17:39                       ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 17:39                       ` Tony Lindgren
2017-09-05  8:52                       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I [this message]
2017-09-05  8:52                         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-09-05  8:52                         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-09-05 16:51                         ` Tony Lindgren
2017-09-05 16:51                           ` Tony Lindgren
2017-09-05 16:51                           ` Tony Lindgren
2017-08-29 17:11       ` Rob Herring
2017-08-29 17:11         ` Rob Herring
2017-09-05  8:53         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-09-05  8:53           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-09-05  8:53           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41 ` [PATCH 4/5] mmc: sdhci-omap: Add OMAP SDHCI driver Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-28  9:06   ` Adrian Hunter
2017-08-28  9:06     ` Adrian Hunter
2017-08-30 13:53     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-30 13:53       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-30 13:53       ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-31 13:02       ` Adrian Hunter
2017-08-31 13:02         ` Adrian Hunter
2017-09-05  8:57         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-09-05  8:57           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-09-05  8:57           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41 ` [PATCH 5/5] MAINTAINERS: Add TI OMAP SDHCI Maintainer Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-21  7:41   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2017-08-28  9:07   ` Adrian Hunter
2017-08-28  9:07     ` Adrian Hunter

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