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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: packed ring layout proposal v3
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:26:32 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <092b643b-cfa1-f965-cbf1-0799df1685c7__13795.9196385511$1505266043$gmane$org@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF=yD-+LtZO=Fcw6Y-v0dnxkmwqW1+CqzopyQEApOjOAszgqMg@mail.gmail.com>



On 2017年09月13日 00:23, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:47 AM, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2017年09月10日 13:06, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> This is an update from v2 version.
>>> Changes:
>>> - update event suppression mechanism
>>> - add wrap counter: DESC_WRAP flag in addition to
>>>     DESC_DRIVER flag used for validity so device does not have to
>>>     write out all used descriptors.
>>
>> Do we have benchmark result to show the advantage of DESC_DRIVER over e.g
>> avail/used index?
> The KVM forum presentation has some numbers.

Yes. My question may be not accurate. I meant maybe we should benchmark 
packed ring layout without DESC_DRIVER but something like queue 
tail/head or producer/consumer (or whatever it called). Looks like most 
more nic does not use a flag inside descriptor to exam the descriptor 
ownership.

>
> I'm not sure that synthetic benchmarks will provide much value, as we
> understand the trade-off quite well.
>
> The benefit of this model is improved best case performance, by having
> a single cacheline read instead of two for the indirect used/avail ring model.
>
> The drawback is worse worst case, as scanning the ring of descriptors
> introduces more cacheline misses than scanning the compressed
> used/avail ring.

Like I've replied, looks like the scanning is not friendly to batching 
or prefetching and can cause extra overheads.

>
> This model is easier to implement in hardware and the common case is
> likely close to the best case, so I think it makes sense.

Maybe, but we probably need inputs from hardware vendor guys.

Thanks
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Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-10  5:06 [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v3 Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-02-08 13:37 ` packed ring layout proposal v2 Christian Borntraeger
2017-02-09 17:43   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]   ` <20170209181955-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-09 18:27     ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-02-08 17:41 ` [virtio-dev] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-02-08 19:59   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]   ` <20170208214435-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-09 15:48     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-02-09 16:11       ` Cornelia Huck
2017-02-09 18:24       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]       ` <20170209202203-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-10 11:32         ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]         ` <c229269b-1702-ffec-62e8-002c7c142904@redhat.com>
2017-02-10 15:20           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-02-10 16:17             ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]       ` <20170209171105.075a9d9c.cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
2017-02-22 16:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20170222181333-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-03-07 15:53           ` Cornelia Huck
2017-03-07 20:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]             ` <20170307223057-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-07-10 16:27               ` Amnon Ilan
2017-07-10 16:27               ` Amnon Ilan
2017-02-22  4:27 ` packed ring layout proposal - todo list Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <20170222054336-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-22  9:19   ` [virtio-dev] " Gray, Mark D
     [not found]   ` <738D45BC1F695740A983F43CFE1B7EA94E93CA7E@IRSMSX108.ger.corp.intel.com>
2017-02-22 15:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-02-28  4:29   ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]   ` <20170228042943.GH18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  1:07     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-08  7:09       ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]       ` <20170308070948.GC18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-08  7:56         ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]         ` <20170308075624.GF18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-29 12:39           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-04-01  7:30             ` Yuanhan Liu
2017-02-22 14:46 ` [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v2 Chien, Roger S
2017-02-28  5:02 ` Yuanhan Liu
2017-02-28  5:47 ` [RFC] packed (virtio-net) headers Yuanhan Liu
     [not found] ` <20170228050218.GI18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  1:02   ` [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v2 Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]   ` <20170301024951-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-03-01  3:57     ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]     ` <20170301035715.GP18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  4:14       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01  4:57         ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found] ` <20170228054719.GJ18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  1:28   ` [RFC] packed (virtio-net) headers Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-16  6:00 ` [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v2 Lior Narkis
2017-07-18 16:23   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-18 16:23     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-19  7:41     ` Lior Narkis
2017-07-20 13:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-20 13:06         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-19  7:41     ` Lior Narkis
2017-07-16  6:00 ` Lior Narkis
2017-09-11  7:47 ` [virtio-dev] Re: packed ring layout proposal v3 Jason Wang
2017-09-12 16:23   ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-13  1:26     ` Jason Wang [this message]
2017-09-13  1:26     ` Jason Wang
2017-09-12 16:23   ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-11  7:47 ` Jason Wang
2017-09-12 16:20 ` [virtio-dev] " Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-12 16:20 ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-14  8:23 ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-09-20  9:11 ` [virtio-dev] " Liang, Cunming
2017-09-20  9:11   ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-25 22:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-25 22:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-26 23:38     ` Steven Luong (sluong)
2017-09-27 23:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-27 23:49         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-28  9:44         ` Liang, Cunming
2017-10-01  4:08           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-01  4:08             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-04 12:39             ` Jens Freimann
2017-10-04 12:58               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-04 12:58               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-10  9:56                 ` Liang, Cunming
2017-10-10  9:56                 ` Liang, Cunming
2017-10-11 12:22                   ` Jens Freimann
2017-09-28  9:44         ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-28 21:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-28 21:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-26 23:38     ` Steven Luong (sluong)
2017-09-21 13:36 ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-21 13:36   ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-28 21:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-28 21:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-08  6:16 ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-08  6:16 ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-25 16:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-25 16:20     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-29  9:05     ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-29  9:05     ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-29 14:21       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-29 14:21         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-29 14:34         ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-29 14:34         ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-30  2:08           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30  2:08             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30  6:30             ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-30 16:30               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30 16:30                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30  6:30             ` Ilya Lesokhin

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