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From: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v2
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 17:11:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170209171105.075a9d9c.cornelia.huck__32240.5013874688$1486656679$gmane$org@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cc075b18-0913-ef89-96a8-a29869abd73e@redhat.com>

On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 16:48:53 +0100
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 08/02/2017 20:59, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > We couldn't decide what's better for everyone in 1.0 days and I doubt
> > we'll be able to now, but yes, benchmarking is needed to make
> > sire it's required. Very easy to remove or not to use/support in
> > drivers/devices though.
> 
> Fair enough, but of course then we must specify that devices MUST
> support either VRING_DESC_F_NEXT or VRING_DESC_F_INDIRECT, and drivers
> SHOULD support both (or use neither).
> 
> The drivers' part adds to the implementation burden, which is why I
> wanted to remove it.  Alternatively we can say that indirect is
> mandatory for both devices and drivers (and save a feature bit), while
> VRING_DESC_F_NEXT is optional.

I think this (INDIRECT mandatory, NEXT optional) makes sense. But we
really need some benchmarking.

> 
> >>> * Non power-of-2 ring sizes
> >>>
> >>> As the ring simply wraps around, there's no reason to
> >>> require ring size to be power of two.
> >>> It can be made a separate feature though.
> >>
> >> Power of 2 ring sizes are required in order to ignore the high bits of
> >> the indices.  With non-power-of-2 sizes you are forced to keep the
> >> indices less than the ring size.
> > 
> > Right. So
> > 
> > 	if (unlikely(idx++ > size))
> > 		idx = 0;
> > 
> > OTOH ring size that's twice larger than necessary
> > because of power of two requirements wastes cache.
> 
> I don't know.  Power of 2 ring size is pretty standard, I'd rather avoid
> the complication and the gratuitous difference with 1.0.

I agree. I don't think dropping the power of 2 requirement buys us so
much that it makes up for the added complexity.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-09 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-10  5:06 [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v3 Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-02-08 13:37 ` packed ring layout proposal v2 Christian Borntraeger
2017-02-09 17:43   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]   ` <20170209181955-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-09 18:27     ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-02-08 17:41 ` [virtio-dev] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-02-08 19:59   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]   ` <20170208214435-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-09 15:48     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-02-09 16:11       ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2017-02-09 18:24       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]       ` <20170209202203-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-10 11:32         ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]         ` <c229269b-1702-ffec-62e8-002c7c142904@redhat.com>
2017-02-10 15:20           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-02-10 16:17             ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]       ` <20170209171105.075a9d9c.cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
2017-02-22 16:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20170222181333-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-03-07 15:53           ` Cornelia Huck
2017-03-07 20:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]             ` <20170307223057-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-07-10 16:27               ` Amnon Ilan
2017-07-10 16:27               ` Amnon Ilan
2017-02-22  4:27 ` packed ring layout proposal - todo list Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <20170222054336-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-02-22  9:19   ` [virtio-dev] " Gray, Mark D
     [not found]   ` <738D45BC1F695740A983F43CFE1B7EA94E93CA7E@IRSMSX108.ger.corp.intel.com>
2017-02-22 15:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-02-28  4:29   ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]   ` <20170228042943.GH18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  1:07     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-08  7:09       ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]       ` <20170308070948.GC18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-08  7:56         ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]         ` <20170308075624.GF18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-29 12:39           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-04-01  7:30             ` Yuanhan Liu
2017-02-22 14:46 ` [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v2 Chien, Roger S
2017-02-28  5:02 ` Yuanhan Liu
2017-02-28  5:47 ` [RFC] packed (virtio-net) headers Yuanhan Liu
     [not found] ` <20170228050218.GI18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  1:02   ` [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v2 Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]   ` <20170301024951-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
2017-03-01  3:57     ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found]     ` <20170301035715.GP18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  4:14       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-01  4:57         ` Yuanhan Liu
     [not found] ` <20170228054719.GJ18844@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2017-03-01  1:28   ` [RFC] packed (virtio-net) headers Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-16  6:00 ` [virtio-dev] packed ring layout proposal v2 Lior Narkis
2017-07-18 16:23   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-18 16:23     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-19  7:41     ` Lior Narkis
2017-07-20 13:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-20 13:06         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-07-19  7:41     ` Lior Narkis
2017-07-16  6:00 ` Lior Narkis
2017-09-11  7:47 ` [virtio-dev] Re: packed ring layout proposal v3 Jason Wang
2017-09-12 16:23   ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-13  1:26     ` Jason Wang
2017-09-13  1:26     ` Jason Wang
2017-09-12 16:23   ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-11  7:47 ` Jason Wang
2017-09-12 16:20 ` [virtio-dev] " Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-12 16:20 ` Willem de Bruijn
2017-09-14  8:23 ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-09-20  9:11 ` [virtio-dev] " Liang, Cunming
2017-09-20  9:11   ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-25 22:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-25 22:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-26 23:38     ` Steven Luong (sluong)
2017-09-27 23:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-27 23:49         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-28  9:44         ` Liang, Cunming
2017-10-01  4:08           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-01  4:08             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-04 12:39             ` Jens Freimann
2017-10-04 12:58               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-04 12:58               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-10  9:56                 ` Liang, Cunming
2017-10-10  9:56                 ` Liang, Cunming
2017-10-11 12:22                   ` Jens Freimann
2017-09-28  9:44         ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-28 21:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-28 21:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-26 23:38     ` Steven Luong (sluong)
2017-09-21 13:36 ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-21 13:36   ` Liang, Cunming
2017-09-28 21:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-09-28 21:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-08  6:16 ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-08  6:16 ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-25 16:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-25 16:20     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-29  9:05     ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-29  9:05     ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-29 14:21       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-29 14:21         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-29 14:34         ` Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-29 14:34         ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-30  2:08           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30  2:08             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30  6:30             ` [virtio-dev] " Ilya Lesokhin
2017-10-30 16:30               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30 16:30                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-10-30  6:30             ` Ilya Lesokhin

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