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From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Thierry Reding
	<thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Timo Alho <talho-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter De Schrijver
	<pdeschrijver-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Sivaram Nair <sivaramn-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Joseph Lo <josephl-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/12] mailbox: Add Tegra HSP driver
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:42:33 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0a70a07d-9cc6-cd35-98a8-d55c2ffdb49d@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160822141728.GF17367-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>

On 08/22/2016 08:17 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 03:43:23PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Friday, August 19, 2016 7:32:23 PM CEST Thierry Reding wrote:
>>> +static int tegra_hsp_doorbell_send_data(struct tegra_hsp_channel *channel,
>>> +                                       void *data)
>>> +{
>>> +       tegra_hsp_channel_writel(channel, 1, HSP_DB_TRIGGER);
>>> +
>>> +       return 0;
>>> +}
>>>
>>
>> It seems very odd that you don't write the data at all but just trigger
>> the communication here. My interpretation is that you bypass
>> the mailbox infrastructure for the actual message, and instead reimplement
>> it on top of the mailbox infrastructure as part of the bpmp driver.
>>
>> Why not expose the bpmp itself as the mailbox here?
>
> My understanding is that doorbell doesn't provide any means to transfer
> data. It merely signals the availability of data. It is up to a use-case
> specific implementation to arrange for the transport of data.

Yes, the doorbell doesn't transfer any data.

> BPMP implements a shmem-based protocol and uses the doorbell merely as a
> mechanism for the BPMP and CPU to signal each other when data is ready.
>
> Exposing the BPMP as the mailbox could possibly be done, but it would
> implement a fairly large software layer in the mailbox system which is
> targetted primarily at simple mailbox hardware that exchanges small
> amounts of data (usually fitting into 32 bits). mailbox-sti is another
> driver that uses the framework only to signal, so this doesn't seem to
> be a mechanism exclusive to Tegra.

I also don't think that in-memory IPC mechanisms are what the mailbox 
subsystem is all about; it's about pure HW mechanisms that transfer data.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: swarren@wwwdotorg.org (Stephen Warren)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 02/12] mailbox: Add Tegra HSP driver
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:42:33 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0a70a07d-9cc6-cd35-98a8-d55c2ffdb49d@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160822141728.GF17367@ulmo.ba.sec>

On 08/22/2016 08:17 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 03:43:23PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Friday, August 19, 2016 7:32:23 PM CEST Thierry Reding wrote:
>>> +static int tegra_hsp_doorbell_send_data(struct tegra_hsp_channel *channel,
>>> +                                       void *data)
>>> +{
>>> +       tegra_hsp_channel_writel(channel, 1, HSP_DB_TRIGGER);
>>> +
>>> +       return 0;
>>> +}
>>>
>>
>> It seems very odd that you don't write the data at all but just trigger
>> the communication here. My interpretation is that you bypass
>> the mailbox infrastructure for the actual message, and instead reimplement
>> it on top of the mailbox infrastructure as part of the bpmp driver.
>>
>> Why not expose the bpmp itself as the mailbox here?
>
> My understanding is that doorbell doesn't provide any means to transfer
> data. It merely signals the availability of data. It is up to a use-case
> specific implementation to arrange for the transport of data.

Yes, the doorbell doesn't transfer any data.

> BPMP implements a shmem-based protocol and uses the doorbell merely as a
> mechanism for the BPMP and CPU to signal each other when data is ready.
>
> Exposing the BPMP as the mailbox could possibly be done, but it would
> implement a fairly large software layer in the mailbox system which is
> targetted primarily at simple mailbox hardware that exchanges small
> amounts of data (usually fitting into 32 bits). mailbox-sti is another
> driver that uses the framework only to signal, so this doesn't seem to
> be a mechanism exclusive to Tegra.

I also don't think that in-memory IPC mechanisms are what the mailbox 
subsystem is all about; it's about pure HW mechanisms that transfer data.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-22 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-19 17:32 [PATCH v3 00/12] Initial Tegra186 support Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32 ` Thierry Reding
     [not found] ` <20160819173233.13260-1-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 01/12] dt-bindings: mailbox: Add Tegra HSP binding Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 02/12] mailbox: Add Tegra HSP driver Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 13:43     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 13:43       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 14:17       ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 14:17         ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]         ` <20160822141728.GF17367-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 16:42           ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2016-08-22 16:42             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-3-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 16:53       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 16:53         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-23  0:06       ` Sivaram Nair
2016-08-23  0:06         ` Sivaram Nair
2016-08-23  0:12       ` Sivaram Nair
2016-08-23  0:12         ` Sivaram Nair
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 03/12] dt-bindings: firmware: Add bindings for Tegra BPMP Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 04/12] firmware: tegra: Add IVC library Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-5-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 10:46       ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-22 10:46         ` Jon Hunter
     [not found]         ` <90222c3a-7c69-6fa3-d161-4ed0c5759f34-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 12:40           ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 12:40             ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 18:49       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 18:49         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-24 15:13     ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-24 15:13       ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 05/12] firmware: tegra: Add BPMP support Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-6-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22  9:26       ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-22  9:26         ` Jon Hunter
     [not found]         ` <94227d94-1d60-fda7-731b-26656633d585-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 12:54           ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 12:54             ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]             ` <20160822125458.GC17367-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 14:24               ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-22 14:24                 ` Jon Hunter
     [not found]                 ` <6bb4d32f-4f13-285e-430e-672f375a9a46-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 15:00                   ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 15:00                     ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 18:51               ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 18:51                 ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 13:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 13:34         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 14:02         ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 14:02           ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]           ` <20160822140211.GE17367-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 14:42             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 14:42               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 15:32               ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 15:32                 ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                 ` <20160822153258.GB21012-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 15:43                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 15:43                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-22 18:56               ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 18:56                 ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-23 14:58                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-23 14:58                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-23 23:26       ` Sivaram Nair
2016-08-23 23:26         ` Sivaram Nair
2016-08-22 22:23     ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 22:23       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 06/12] soc/tegra: Add Tegra186 support Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-7-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 19:01       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:01         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-23 13:44       ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-23 13:44         ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 07/12] arm64: defconfig: Enable Tegra186 SoC Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-8-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 19:01       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:01         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 08/12] arm64: dts: tegra: Add Tegra186 support Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-9-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 17:11       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 17:11         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:07       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:07         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 09/12] arm64: dts: tegra: Add NVIDIA P3310 main board support Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-10-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 19:08       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:08         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-23 17:35       ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-23 17:35         ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 10/12] arm64: dts: tegra: Add NVIDIA P2771 " Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-11-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 19:11       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:11         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 11/12] clk: tegra: Add BPMP clock driver Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-12-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 10:11       ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-22 10:11         ` Jon Hunter
     [not found]         ` <0d7080bc-9e82-75dd-7169-0a5b7429801e-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 13:28           ` Thierry Reding
2016-08-22 13:28             ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]             ` <20160822132833.GD17367-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-23 13:49               ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-23 13:49                 ` Jon Hunter
2016-08-22 19:47       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:47         ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-19 17:32   ` [PATCH v3 12/12] reset: Add Tegra BPMP reset driver Thierry Reding
2016-08-19 17:32     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20160819173233.13260-13-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-22 19:56       ` Stephen Warren
2016-08-22 19:56         ` Stephen Warren
2016-11-26 13:39   ` [PATCH v3 00/12] Initial Tegra186 support Pavel Machek
2016-11-26 13:39     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]     ` <20161126133927.GE20568-5NIqAleC692hcjWhqY66xCZi+YwRKgec@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-28  7:33       ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-28  7:33         ` Thierry Reding

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