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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Li, Liang Z" <liang.z.li@intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"mhocko@suse.com" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com"
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"dgilbert@redhat.com" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH kernel v5 0/5] Extend virtio-balloon for fast (de)inflating & fast live migration
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:45:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b83db29-ebad-2a70-8d61-756d33e33a48@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b18c636-ee67-cbb4-1ba3-81a06150db76@redhat.com>

On 12/07/2016 07:42 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Am 07.12.2016 um 14:35 schrieb Li, Liang Z:
>>> Am 30.11.2016 um 09:43 schrieb Liang Li:
>>>> This patch set contains two parts of changes to the virtio-balloon.
>>>>
>>>> One is the change for speeding up the inflating & deflating process,
>>>> the main idea of this optimization is to use bitmap to send the page
>>>> information to host instead of the PFNs, to reduce the overhead of
>>>> virtio data transmission, address translation and madvise(). This can
>>>> help to improve the performance by about 85%.
>>>
>>> Do you have some statistics/some rough feeling how many consecutive
>>> bits are
>>> usually set in the bitmaps? Is it really just purely random or is
>>> there some
>>> granularity that is usually consecutive?
>>>
>>
>> I did something similar. Filled the balloon with 15GB for a 16GB idle
>> guest, by
>> using bitmap, the madvise count was reduced to 605. when using the
>> PFNs, the madvise count
>> was 3932160. It means there are quite a lot consecutive bits in the
>> bitmap.
>> I didn't test for a guest with heavy memory workload.
> 
> Would it then even make sense to go one step further and report {pfn,
> length} combinations?
> 
> So simply send over an array of {pfn, length}?

Li's current patches do that.  Well, maybe not pfn/length, but they do
take a pfn and page-order, which fits perfectly with the kernel's
concept of high-order pages.

> And it makes sense if you think about:
> 
> a) hugetlb backing: The host may only be able to free huge pages (we
> might want to communicate that to the guest later, that's another
> story). Still we would have to send bitmaps full of 4k frames (512 bits
> for 2mb frames). Of course, we could add a way to communicate that we
> are using a different bitmap-granularity.

Yeah, please read the patches.  If they're not clear, then the
descriptions need work, but this is done already.

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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Li, Liang Z" <liang.z.li@intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"mhocko@suse.com" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"dgilbert@redhat.com" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com"
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH kernel v5 0/5] Extend virtio-balloon for fast (de)inflating & fast live migration
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:45:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b83db29-ebad-2a70-8d61-756d33e33a48@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b18c636-ee67-cbb4-1ba3-81a06150db76@redhat.com>

On 12/07/2016 07:42 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Am 07.12.2016 um 14:35 schrieb Li, Liang Z:
>>> Am 30.11.2016 um 09:43 schrieb Liang Li:
>>>> This patch set contains two parts of changes to the virtio-balloon.
>>>>
>>>> One is the change for speeding up the inflating & deflating process,
>>>> the main idea of this optimization is to use bitmap to send the page
>>>> information to host instead of the PFNs, to reduce the overhead of
>>>> virtio data transmission, address translation and madvise(). This can
>>>> help to improve the performance by about 85%.
>>>
>>> Do you have some statistics/some rough feeling how many consecutive
>>> bits are
>>> usually set in the bitmaps? Is it really just purely random or is
>>> there some
>>> granularity that is usually consecutive?
>>>
>>
>> I did something similar. Filled the balloon with 15GB for a 16GB idle
>> guest, by
>> using bitmap, the madvise count was reduced to 605. when using the
>> PFNs, the madvise count
>> was 3932160. It means there are quite a lot consecutive bits in the
>> bitmap.
>> I didn't test for a guest with heavy memory workload.
> 
> Would it then even make sense to go one step further and report {pfn,
> length} combinations?
> 
> So simply send over an array of {pfn, length}?

Li's current patches do that.  Well, maybe not pfn/length, but they do
take a pfn and page-order, which fits perfectly with the kernel's
concept of high-order pages.

> And it makes sense if you think about:
> 
> a) hugetlb backing: The host may only be able to free huge pages (we
> might want to communicate that to the guest later, that's another
> story). Still we would have to send bitmaps full of 4k frames (512 bits
> for 2mb frames). Of course, we could add a way to communicate that we
> are using a different bitmap-granularity.

Yeah, please read the patches.  If they're not clear, then the
descriptions need work, but this is done already.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Li, Liang Z" <liang.z.li@intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"mhocko@suse.com" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com"
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"dgilbert@redhat.com" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH kernel v5 0/5] Extend virtio-balloon for fast (de)inflating & fast live migration
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:45:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b83db29-ebad-2a70-8d61-756d33e33a48@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b18c636-ee67-cbb4-1ba3-81a06150db76@redhat.com>

On 12/07/2016 07:42 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Am 07.12.2016 um 14:35 schrieb Li, Liang Z:
>>> Am 30.11.2016 um 09:43 schrieb Liang Li:
>>>> This patch set contains two parts of changes to the virtio-balloon.
>>>>
>>>> One is the change for speeding up the inflating & deflating process,
>>>> the main idea of this optimization is to use bitmap to send the page
>>>> information to host instead of the PFNs, to reduce the overhead of
>>>> virtio data transmission, address translation and madvise(). This can
>>>> help to improve the performance by about 85%.
>>>
>>> Do you have some statistics/some rough feeling how many consecutive
>>> bits are
>>> usually set in the bitmaps? Is it really just purely random or is
>>> there some
>>> granularity that is usually consecutive?
>>>
>>
>> I did something similar. Filled the balloon with 15GB for a 16GB idle
>> guest, by
>> using bitmap, the madvise count was reduced to 605. when using the
>> PFNs, the madvise count
>> was 3932160. It means there are quite a lot consecutive bits in the
>> bitmap.
>> I didn't test for a guest with heavy memory workload.
> 
> Would it then even make sense to go one step further and report {pfn,
> length} combinations?
> 
> So simply send over an array of {pfn, length}?

Li's current patches do that.  Well, maybe not pfn/length, but they do
take a pfn and page-order, which fits perfectly with the kernel's
concept of high-order pages.

> And it makes sense if you think about:
> 
> a) hugetlb backing: The host may only be able to free huge pages (we
> might want to communicate that to the guest later, that's another
> story). Still we would have to send bitmaps full of 4k frames (512 bits
> for 2mb frames). Of course, we could add a way to communicate that we
> are using a different bitmap-granularity.

Yeah, please read the patches.  If they're not clear, then the
descriptions need work, but this is done already.

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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Li, Liang Z" <liang.z.li@intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org"
	<virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>,
	"mhocko@suse.com" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com"
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"dgilbert@redhat.com" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH kernel v5 0/5] Extend virtio-balloon for fast (de)inflating & fast live migration
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:45:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b83db29-ebad-2a70-8d61-756d33e33a48@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b18c636-ee67-cbb4-1ba3-81a06150db76@redhat.com>

On 12/07/2016 07:42 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Am 07.12.2016 um 14:35 schrieb Li, Liang Z:
>>> Am 30.11.2016 um 09:43 schrieb Liang Li:
>>>> This patch set contains two parts of changes to the virtio-balloon.
>>>>
>>>> One is the change for speeding up the inflating & deflating process,
>>>> the main idea of this optimization is to use bitmap to send the page
>>>> information to host instead of the PFNs, to reduce the overhead of
>>>> virtio data transmission, address translation and madvise(). This can
>>>> help to improve the performance by about 85%.
>>>
>>> Do you have some statistics/some rough feeling how many consecutive
>>> bits are
>>> usually set in the bitmaps? Is it really just purely random or is
>>> there some
>>> granularity that is usually consecutive?
>>>
>>
>> I did something similar. Filled the balloon with 15GB for a 16GB idle
>> guest, by
>> using bitmap, the madvise count was reduced to 605. when using the
>> PFNs, the madvise count
>> was 3932160. It means there are quite a lot consecutive bits in the
>> bitmap.
>> I didn't test for a guest with heavy memory workload.
> 
> Would it then even make sense to go one step further and report {pfn,
> length} combinations?
> 
> So simply send over an array of {pfn, length}?

Li's current patches do that.  Well, maybe not pfn/length, but they do
take a pfn and page-order, which fits perfectly with the kernel's
concept of high-order pages.

> And it makes sense if you think about:
> 
> a) hugetlb backing: The host may only be able to free huge pages (we
> might want to communicate that to the guest later, that's another
> story). Still we would have to send bitmaps full of 4k frames (512 bits
> for 2mb frames). Of course, we could add a way to communicate that we
> are using a different bitmap-granularity.

Yeah, please read the patches.  If they're not clear, then the
descriptions need work, but this is done already.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-07 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-30  8:43 [PATCH kernel v5 0/5] Extend virtio-balloon for fast (de)inflating & fast live migration Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` [Qemu-devel] " Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` [PATCH kernel v5 1/5] virtio-balloon: rework deflate to add page to a list Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` [PATCH kernel v5 2/5] virtio-balloon: define new feature bit and head struct Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` [PATCH kernel v5 3/5] virtio-balloon: speed up inflate/deflate process Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` [PATCH kernel v5 4/5] virtio-balloon: define flags and head for host request vq Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` [PATCH kernel v5 5/5] virtio-balloon: tell host vm's unused page info Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43 ` Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Liang Li
2016-11-30  8:43   ` Liang Li
2016-11-30 19:15   ` Dave Hansen
2016-11-30 19:15   ` Dave Hansen
2016-11-30 19:15     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dave Hansen
2016-11-30 19:15     ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-04 13:13     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-04 13:13     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-04 13:13       ` [Qemu-devel] " Li, Liang Z
2016-12-04 13:13       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-05 17:22       ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-05 17:22         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dave Hansen
2016-12-05 17:22         ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-05 17:22         ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-06  4:47         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-06  4:47           ` [Qemu-devel] " Li, Liang Z
2016-12-06  4:47           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-06  4:47           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-06  8:40 ` [PATCH kernel v5 0/5] Extend virtio-balloon for fast (de)inflating & fast live migration David Hildenbrand
2016-12-06  8:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2016-12-06  8:40   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-06  8:40   ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 13:35   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-07 13:35     ` [Qemu-devel] " Li, Liang Z
2016-12-07 13:35     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-07 13:35     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-07 15:34     ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 15:34       ` [Qemu-devel] " Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 15:34       ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-09  3:09       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  3:09         ` [Qemu-devel] " Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  3:09         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  3:09         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  3:09       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-07 15:34     ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 15:42     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 15:42       ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 15:42       ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 15:45       ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2016-12-07 15:45         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 15:45         ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 15:45         ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 16:21         ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 16:21           ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 16:21           ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 16:21           ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 16:57           ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 16:57           ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 16:57             ` [Qemu-devel] " Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 16:57             ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 18:38             ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 18:38             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 18:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 18:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 18:44               ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 18:44               ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 18:44                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 18:44                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 18:58                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 18:58                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 18:58                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 18:58                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 19:54               ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 19:54                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 19:54                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 19:54                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-07 20:28                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 20:28                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 20:28                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-07 20:28                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-09  4:45                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  4:45                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  4:45                     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  4:45                     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  4:53                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-09  4:53                       ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-09  4:53                       ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-09  4:53                       ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-09  5:35                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  5:35                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  5:35                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09  5:35                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-09 16:42                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-09 16:42                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-09 16:42                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-09 16:42                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-14  8:20                           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-14  8:20                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-14  8:20                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-14  8:20                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-14  8:59                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-14  8:59                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-14  8:59                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-14  8:59                         ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-15 15:34                         ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-15 15:34                         ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-15 15:34                           ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-15 15:34                           ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-15 15:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-15 15:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-15 15:54                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-15 15:54                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-12-16  1:12                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:12                               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:12                               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:12                               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16 15:40                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-16 15:40                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-16 15:40                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-17 11:56                                 ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-17 11:56                                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-17 11:56                                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-17 11:56                                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16 15:40                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-16  0:48                           ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  0:48                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  0:48                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  0:48                             ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:09                             ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:09                             ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:09                               ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:09                               ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:38                               ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:38                                 ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:38                                 ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:38                                 ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:40                                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:40                                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:40                                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:40                                   ` Dave Hansen
2016-12-16  1:43                                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:43                                   ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:43                                     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16  1:43                                     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-16 16:01                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-16 16:01                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-16 16:01                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-16 16:01                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-12-17 12:39                                     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-17 12:39                                     ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-17 12:39                                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-17 12:39                                       ` Li, Liang Z
2016-12-07 15:42     ` David Hildenbrand
2016-12-07 13:35   ` Li, Liang Z
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2016-11-30  8:43 Liang Li

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