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From: Liran Alon <liran.alon@oracle.com>
To: <shmulik.ladkani@gmail.com>
Cc: <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <mrv@mojatatu.com>,
	<daniel@iogearbox.net>, <davem@davemloft.net>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <yuval.shaia@oracle.com>,
	<idan.brown@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: dev_forward_skb(): Scrub packet's per-netns info only when crossing netns
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:14:01 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0d84d286-9965-45cb-93c8-379ca1b2441e@default> (raw)


----- shmulik.ladkani@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Liran Alon
> <liran.alon@oracle.com> wrote:
> > ----- shmulik.ladkani@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Liran Alon
> > > <liran.alon@oracle.com> wrote:  
> > > > 
> > > > I still think that default behavior should be to zero skb->mark
> only  
> > > when skb  
> > > > cross netdevs in different netns.  
> > > 
> > > But the previous default was scrub the mark in *both* xnet and
> > > non-xnet
> > > situations.
> > > 
> > > Therefore, there might be users which RELY on this (strange)
> default
> > > behavior in their same-netns-veth-pair setups.
> > > Meaning, changing the default behavior might break their apps
> relying
> > > on
> > > the former default behavior.
> > > 
> > > This is why the "disable mark scrubbing in non-xnet case" should
> be
> > > opt-in.  
> > 
> > We think the same.
> > The only difference is that I think this for now should be
> controllable
> > by a global /proc/sys/net/core file instead of giving a flexible
> per-netdev
> > control.
> > Because that is a larger change that could be done later.
> 
> A flags attribute to veth newlink is a very scoped change.
> User controls this per veth creation.
> This is way more neat than /proc/sys/net and provides the desired
> granular
> control.
> 
> Also, scoping this to veth has the advantage of not affecting the many
> other
> dev_forward_skb callers.

Agreed. But isn't this an issue also for the
many others (& future) callers of dev_forward_skb()?
This seems problematic to me.

This will kinda leave a kernel interface with broken default behavior
for backwards comparability.

A flag to netdev or /proc/sys/net/core to "fix" default behavior
will avoid this.

> 
> Regards,
> Shmulik

             reply	other threads:[~2018-03-15 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-15 17:14 Liran Alon [this message]
2018-03-20 16:24 ` [PATCH] net: dev_forward_skb(): Scrub packet's per-netns info only when crossing netns Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-20 16:44   ` Liran Alon
2018-03-20 17:07     ` Ben Greear
2018-03-20 18:35       ` Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-03-15 16:35 Liran Alon
2018-03-15 16:50 ` Shmulik Ladkani
2018-03-15 15:05 Liran Alon
2018-03-15 15:01 Liran Alon
2018-03-15 16:11 ` Shmulik Ladkani
2018-03-15 12:23 Liran Alon
2018-03-15 14:35 ` Roman Mashak
2018-03-15 14:53   ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-03-15 12:14 Liran Alon
2018-03-13 15:07 Liran Alon
2018-03-13 16:13 ` Yuval Shaia
2018-03-14 12:03   ` Yuval Shaia
2018-03-15  9:21 ` Shmulik Ladkani
2018-03-15 11:56   ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-03-15 12:50     ` Shmulik Ladkani
2018-03-15 15:13       ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-03-15 15:54         ` Shmulik Ladkani
2018-03-15 17:48           ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-03-20 14:47 ` David Miller
2018-03-20 15:34   ` Liran Alon
2018-03-20 16:00     ` David Miller
2018-03-20 16:11       ` Liran Alon
2018-03-20 16:34         ` David Miller
2018-03-20 16:39           ` Liran Alon
2018-03-20 18:51             ` valdis.kletnieks
2018-03-20 21:12               ` Liran Alon

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