sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Eckhard Jokisch]

Hello guys,
I just noticed that the controls ( or their names) of the digital inputs of 
Live!-drive are changed. If I want ot get sound out of the coaxial inputs I 
have to raise the optocal s "sliders" in alsamixer as well as in 
alsermixergui. 

Merry Xmas to all of you

Eckhard Jokisch



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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:20:57 +0100,
Eckhard Jokisch wrote:
> 
> Hello guys,
> I just noticed that the controls ( or their names) of the digital inputs of 
> Live!-drive are changed. If I want ot get sound out of the coaxial inputs I 
> have to raise the optocal s "sliders" in alsamixer as well as in 
> alsermixergui. 

i don't see any changes of codes regarding this...
is only the capture switch swapped?
(to be sure, do you mean "IEC958 Optical Capture" and "IEC958 Coax
Capture", right?)


Takashi


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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 08:57, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:20:57 +0100,
> Eckhard Jokisch wrote:
> > 
> > Hello guys,
> > I just noticed that the controls ( or their names) of the digital inputs of 
> > Live!-drive are changed. If I want ot get sound out of the coaxial inputs I 
> > have to raise the optocal s "sliders" in alsamixer as well as in 
> > alsermixergui. 
> 
> i don't see any changes of codes regarding this...
> is only the capture switch swapped?
> (to be sure, do you mean "IEC958 Optical Capture" and "IEC958 Coax
> Capture", right?)
> 
> 
> Takashi
> 
Recently the I/O's of the Hammerfall Light also changed:

Old 

playback_1-8   -> ADAT1
playback_9_16  -> ADAT2
playback_17-18 -> spdif (I suppose)

Now

playback_3-10  -> ADAT1
playback_11-18 -> ADAT2
playback_1-2   -> spdif (I suppose)



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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Eckhard Jokisch]

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Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:20:57 +0100,
>
> Eckhard Jokisch wrote:
> > Hello guys,
> > I just noticed that the controls ( or their names) of the digital inputs
> > of Live!-drive are changed. If I want ot get sound out of the coaxial
> > inputs I have to raise the optocal s "sliders" in alsamixer as well as in
> > alsermixergui.
>
> i don't see any changes of codes regarding this...
Hrrgl ... I knew the word "changed" will cause problems ;-) 
I mean *swapped*.
> is only the capture switch swapped?
No - it's like that:
I connct my TC-electronics"M5000" with acoaxial cable to the front panel's 
"Digital In" (that's S/PDIF right?). To hear something I have to lift up the 
fader for "IEC958 Optical". I didn't try yet the capture. And I remeber that 
I had to lift "IEC958 Coaxial" fader when I once was recording something via 
optical interface. If I had to use "IEC958coaxial capture" I don't remeber. 
But as things tend to be easy I think the capture faders are swapped as well.
Actually I will get back my equipment this afternoon so I can test this again. 

As I tok a short look in the code there seems to be an enum responsible for 
the ordering of the names. Surely I could repair this piece of code but wnted 
to be sure that's not only me having this problem.

> (to be sure, do you mean "IEC958 Optical Capture" and "IEC958 Coax
> Capture", right?)
For completeness: No - not just the captures.
>
>
> Takashi
Eckhard
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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Eckhard Jokisch]

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On 07 Jan 2004 14:22  p z oooo wrote :
> Hi,
>
> And maybe both coaxial and optical inputs are on one EMU10k1 input
> marked as "IEC958 Optical".
> This is maybe same for Audigy. Can some one verify this ???
>
YES - this is true !! 
So the "IEC958 Coaxial" is lost in space somehow.
Takashi: Any idea about that?

Eckhard
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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:29:48 +0100,
Eckhard Jokisch wrote:
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> On 07 Jan 2004 14:22  p z oooo wrote :
> > Hi,
> >
> > And maybe both coaxial and optical inputs are on one EMU10k1 input
> > marked as "IEC958 Optical".
> > This is maybe same for Audigy. Can some one verify this ???
> >
> YES - this is true !! 
> So the "IEC958 Coaxial" is lost in space somehow.
> Takashi: Any idea about that?

i'm puzzled, too.
could you check the following?

- "IEC958 Optical Playback Volume" up, "IEC958 Coaxial Playback
  Volume" down
	-> digital-input (from live-drive) to analog out ?

- in the above, "optical" down and "coax" up.


it will be logical if you don't hear sounds from digital-in via
"optical playback" volume but via "coax playback"...


Takashi


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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Eckhard Jokisch]

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>
> - "IEC958 Optical Playback Volume" up, "IEC958 Coaxial Playback
>   Volume" down
> 	-> digital-input (from live-drive) to analog out ?
If you mean the output on the rear side of the computer (the green jack ) 
that's what I did.
>
> - in the above, "optical" down and "coax" up.
>
>
> it will be logical if you don't hear sounds from digital-in via
> "optical playback" volume but via "coax playback"...
The strange thing is that I can use the faders for "optical" for both sources.
No matter if I use optical-in or coax-in both are regulated by the same fader.

Eckhard
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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:27 +0100,
Eckhard Jokisch wrote:
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> 
> >
> > - "IEC958 Optical Playback Volume" up, "IEC958 Coaxial Playback
> >   Volume" down
> > 	-> digital-input (from live-drive) to analog out ?
> If you mean the output on the rear side of the computer (the green jack ) 
> that's what I did.
> >
> > - in the above, "optical" down and "coax" up.
> >
> >
> > it will be logical if you don't hear sounds from digital-in via
> > "optical playback" volume but via "coax playback"...
> The strange thing is that I can use the faders for "optical" for both sources.
> No matter if I use optical-in or coax-in both are regulated by the same fader.

sorry, i misspelled.  "optical" should control both playback volumes,
instead of "coax".

it means that sb live drive doesn't have independent inputs from
optical and coax.  both are always mixed up.
maybe it's better to rename "IEC958 optical" to e.g. "IEC958 LiveDrive".

also i don't know then what "coax" actually is connected...


Takashi


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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[David Lloyd]

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Takashi Iwai wrote:

> At Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:27 +0100,
> Eckhard Jokisch wrote:
> > 
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> > 
> > >
> > > - "IEC958 Optical Playback Volume" up, "IEC958 Coaxial Playback
> > >   Volume" down
> > > 	-> digital-input (from live-drive) to analog out ?
> > If you mean the output on the rear side of the computer (the green jack ) 
> > that's what I did.
> > >
> > > - in the above, "optical" down and "coax" up.
> > >
> > >
> > > it will be logical if you don't hear sounds from digital-in via
> > > "optical playback" volume but via "coax playback"...
> > The strange thing is that I can use the faders for "optical" for both sources.
> > No matter if I use optical-in or coax-in both are regulated by the same fader.
> 
> sorry, i misspelled.  "optical" should control both playback volumes,
> instead of "coax".
> 
> it means that sb live drive doesn't have independent inputs from optical
> and coax.  both are always mixed up. maybe it's better to rename "IEC958
> optical" to e.g. "IEC958 LiveDrive".

Or IEC958 Digital

- D


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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Takashi Iwai]

At Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:26:26 -0600 (CST),
David Lloyd wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> 
> > At Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:20:27 +0100,
> > Eckhard Jokisch wrote:
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > >
> > > > - "IEC958 Optical Playback Volume" up, "IEC958 Coaxial Playback
> > > >   Volume" down
> > > > 	-> digital-input (from live-drive) to analog out ?
> > > If you mean the output on the rear side of the computer (the green jack ) 
> > > that's what I did.
> > > >
> > > > - in the above, "optical" down and "coax" up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > it will be logical if you don't hear sounds from digital-in via
> > > > "optical playback" volume but via "coax playback"...
> > > The strange thing is that I can use the faders for "optical" for both sources.
> > > No matter if I use optical-in or coax-in both are regulated by the same fader.
> > 
> > sorry, i misspelled.  "optical" should control both playback volumes,
> > instead of "coax".
> > 
> > it means that sb live drive doesn't have independent inputs from optical
> > and coax.  both are always mixed up. maybe it's better to rename "IEC958
> > optical" to e.g. "IEC958 LiveDrive".
> 
> Or IEC958 Digital

IEC958 already implies the digital.


Takashi


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Re: sbLive! -Drive digital IOs exchanged?

[Eckhard Jokisch]

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> > > rename "IEC958 optical" to e.g. "IEC958 LiveDrive".
> >
> > Or IEC958 Digital
>
> IEC958 already implies the digital.
And there is also a different S/PDIF in on the card as far as I remeber.
So "IEC958 LiveDrive" would be nice. But I'm sure that not all users will know 
that IEC958 is digital so maybe it's better to name it "Digital In LiveDrive"

Eckhard
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