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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	"linux-os (Dick Johnson)" <linux-os@analogic.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile'
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:19:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1152418768.4128.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44AF8668.2070306@argo.co.il>


> I didn't suggest the compiler could or should do it, just that it would 
> be possible (for the _user_) to write portable ISO C code to access PCI 
> mmio registers, if volatile's implementation serialized access.

That isn't possible neither. How to actually serialize access can
require different set of primitives depending on the storage class of
the memory you are accessing, which the C compiler has 0 knowledge
about. (For example, cacheable storage vs. write-through vs.
non-cacheable guarded vs. non-cacheable non-guarded on powerpc, there
are different issues on other architectures).

> With the current implementation of volatile in gcc, it is impossible - 
> you need to resort to inline assembly for some architectures, which is 
> not an ISO C feature.

ISO C has never been about writing device drivers. There is simply no
choice here. You need an atchitecture specific set of accessors. If you
want portable code, then pick a library like libpci and make sure it
contains all you need on all the architectures you need. Then write
portable code on top of it. 

> And I'm not suggesting that it would be a good idea to use volatile even 
> if it was corrected - it would have to take a worst-case approach and 
> thus would generate very bad code.

So what is the point ?

Ben.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-09  4:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-05  8:49 [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05  9:31 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05  9:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05  9:53     ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 10:26       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 11:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 11:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 17:10             ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 19:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 20:18                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 20:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 20:47                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 21:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 21:21                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 21:45                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 21:58                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-07-05 22:00                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 22:10                               ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-07-05 22:27                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 23:15                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-05 22:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 22:30                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 23:11                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06  8:16                               ` [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile' Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  8:23                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  9:27                                 ` Heiko Carstens
2006-07-06  9:34                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 11:59                                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-06 12:01                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 12:29                                     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-06 12:39                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 13:39                                         ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-06 13:43                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 14:05                                           ` Chase Venters
2006-07-06 14:26                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-07-06 16:40                                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-06 23:19                                       ` David Schwartz
2006-07-06 18:15                                     ` Mark Lord
2006-07-06 19:15                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:33                                         ` Chris Friesen
2006-07-06 19:37                                           ` Mark Lord
2006-07-06 20:28                                             ` Chris Friesen
2006-07-06 20:32                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:38                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 19:41                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2006-07-06 19:42                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-06 19:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 20:27                                             ` Mark Lord
2006-07-06 20:40                                             ` Chris Friesen
2006-07-06 21:00                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  8:40                                         ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08  8:51                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08  9:20                                             ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08  9:51                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 10:18                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 10:28                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-09  4:19                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2006-07-09 12:47                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-09 19:16                                                       ` David Schwartz
2006-07-09 19:51                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-09 20:40                                                           ` [OT] 'volatile' in userspace Rutger Nijlunsing
2006-07-10  3:42                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-10 17:00                                                               ` Joshua Hudson
2006-07-10 17:54                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-11  7:48                                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-11 11:53                                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-11 19:09                                                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-07-11 20:55                                                                       ` Jeff Dike
2006-07-10 18:54                                                                 ` Jeff Dike
2006-07-10 20:09                                                                   ` Philippe Troin
2006-07-10 20:52                                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2006-07-06 16:07                                   ` [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile' Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 16:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 17:04                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-06 17:52                                       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-06 18:00                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 21:02                                           ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-06 21:12                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 18:10                                         ` Michael Buesch
2006-07-06 18:16                                         ` Chase Venters
2006-07-07 18:16                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 19:51                                           ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-07 20:25                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07 21:22                                               ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-07 21:48                                                 ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08 10:00                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 13:41                                                     ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08 20:09                                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 20:40                                                         ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08 20:47                                                           ` Chase Venters
2006-07-09 10:57                                                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 21:59                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07 22:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08 20:49                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 21:43                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07 22:05                                                 ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-07 22:22                                                   ` Chase Venters
2006-07-07 22:37                                                     ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-08  9:33                                                       ` David Schwartz
2006-07-07 22:49                                                     ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-07 22:59                                                       ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-07-07 23:18                                                       ` Chase Venters
2006-07-07 23:36                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2006-07-07 22:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-08  7:36                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-07 20:39                                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 23:06                                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-07-08  8:36                                             ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-06 19:32                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-06 20:26                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-06 20:55                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-06 21:07                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:56                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 20:34                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08 22:50                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2006-07-09  3:09                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09  3:07                                     ` Keith Owens
2006-07-09  3:29                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09  3:43                                         ` Keith Owens
2006-07-09  3:58                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09  6:13                                         ` David Miller
2006-07-09 14:28                                         ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-09 15:27                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06  8:18                               ` [patch] lockdep: clean up completion initializer in smpboot.c Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  8:23                               ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  9:02                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-06  9:12                                   ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_head() Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 20:45                   ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 10:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-05 10:44       ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 10:46         ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 10:47         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05  9:54 ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions, fix Ingo Molnar
2006-07-07 10:21 [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile' Chuck Ebbert
2006-07-07 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  3:54 Albert Cahalan
2006-07-08  5:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  6:39   ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-08 18:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  9:45 ` Joe Korty
2006-07-08  9:52   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08  9:59   ` David Schwartz
2006-07-08 10:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-08 15:49     ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-08 18:31       ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-08 19:33         ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-08 20:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09 21:10             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09 22:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-10 16:25               ` marty fouts
2006-07-08 23:10           ` David Schwartz
2006-07-08 13:57   ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-08 19:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08 10:45 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08  6:12 trajce nedev
2006-07-08  6:19 ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08  6:45   ` trajce nedev
2006-07-08  6:58     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08  7:02     ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-07-08 13:46     ` Chase Venters
2006-07-09  4:39       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-07-14  3:30       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-08 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds

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