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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] QEMU PIC indirection patch for in-kernel APIC work
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:19:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1175728768.12230.593.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070404212103.GA19026@elte.hu>

On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 23:21 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > But why is it a good thing to do PV drivers in the kernel?  You lose 
> > flexibility and functionality to gain performance. [...]
> 
> in Linux a kernel-space network driver can still be tunneled over 
> user-space code, and hence you can add arbitrary add-on functionality 
> (and thus have flexibility), without slowing down the common case (which 
> would be to tunnel the guest's network traffic into the firewall rules 
> of the kernel. No need to touch user-space for any of that).

You didn't quote Anthony's point about "it's more about there not being
good enough userspace interfaces to do network IO."

It's easier to write a kernel-space network driver, but it's not
obviously the right thing to do until we can show that an efficient
packet-level userspace interface isn't possible.  I don't think that's
been done, and it would be interesting to try.

Cheers,
Rusty.




  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02 11:46 QEMU PIC indirection patch for in-kernel APIC work Gregory Haskins
     [not found] ` <4610A6A9.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04  6:53   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <46134B74.1080004-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:20       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <4613B438.60107-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:39           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <4613B89F.8090806-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:55               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                 ` <4613BC6B.1070708-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:06                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <4613BF07.50606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:36                       ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                         ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B9580-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:47                           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318E96-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:53                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                 ` <4613C9EE.5030600-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:05                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <4613CCD1.2070702-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:20                                       ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                         ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B962E-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:27                                           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318EDB-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:43                                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                                 ` <4613D596.7080201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:54                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-04 16:32                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                             ` <4613D30E.7030905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:48                                               ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                                 ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B96AA-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:58                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                     ` <4613D93A.5020902-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 17:09                                                       ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                                                         ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B970D-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 21:33                                                           ` Dor Laor
2007-04-04 18:12                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-04 15:51                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                         ` <4613C993.9020405-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:02                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <4613CC01.1090500-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:09                               ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                 ` <4613CDB2.4000903-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:19                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <4613D001.3040606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:01                                       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                         ` <20070404200112.GA6070-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:24                                           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                             ` <4614098F.2030307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 21:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 23:19                                                 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2007-04-05  7:17                                                   ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-04-06  1:02                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-04-08  5:36                                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                         ` <46187F4E.1080807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-08  9:04                                                           ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2007-04-09  2:50                                                           ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                             ` <1176087018.11664.65.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09  7:10                                                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                 ` <4619E6DC.3010804-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09  9:46                                                                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1176111984.11664.90.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09 13:38                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                         ` <461A41CA.9080201-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10  8:07                                                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10  8:19                                                                             ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                               ` <461B48A8.1060904-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10  8:58                                                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10 11:21                                                                                   ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <461B7334.8090807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 11:50                                                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10 12:17                                                                                         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <461B8069.6070007-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 12:30                                                                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <20070410123034.GA11493-9fLWQ3dKdXwox3rIn2DAYQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 12:49                                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-11  3:53                                                                         ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                           ` <1176263593.26372.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11  4:26                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                               ` <461C6360.1060908-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 13:23                                                                                 ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <1176297794.14322.72.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 14:28                                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <461CF098.3090003-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 23:30                                                                                         ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <1176334200.14322.133.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12  3:32                                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-16  0:22                                                                                               ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-16  5:13                                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                   ` <1175728768.12230.593.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05  9:30                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                                       ` <20070405093033.GC25448-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05  9:58                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-05 10:26                                                           ` [kvm-devel] " Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 11:26                                                             ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                               ` <4614DCE1.70905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 11:36                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06  1:16                                                                   ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-06 18:59                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 10:55                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 14:32                                                       ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-04-06 10:37                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 11:07                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 22:07                                               ` Dor Laor
2007-04-05  6:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-05  6:40                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-04 16:23                                   ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                     ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318ED4-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:48                                       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                                         ` <4613D6CD.6060209-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:07                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 13:50                                       ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                         ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987E0D1EC-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 13:59                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                             ` <461500B5.4080102-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 14:52                                               ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                 ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987F2444B-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:01                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                     ` <46150F4F.4030505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:16                                                       ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                         ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987F24452-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:26                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-05 15:22                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-05 14:41                                           ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                                             ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B319509-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 14:48                                               ` Dong, Eddie
2007-04-05 14:57                                               ` Dong, Eddie
2007-04-04 17:51           ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]             ` <46139F39.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 18:19               ` Anthony Liguori

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