From: Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel
<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
Avi Kivity <avik-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: QEMU PIC indirection patch for in-kernel APIC work
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:07:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070404200712.GB6070@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4613D6CD.6060209-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
* Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Keeping the apic in the kernel simplifies this with the cost of
> > maintaining an apic/pic implementation.
>
> Hrm, this is definitely starting to sound like a PITA to deal with.
> Maybe in-kernel platform devices are unavoidable :-/
yes, very much so. Not only are they unavoidable, they largely simplify
many aspects of KVM. Did anyone here ever have unreliable keyboard
emulation in qemu because /dev/rtc didnt allow 1024 Hz? Such basic
issues are just not present when timer emulation is done by the kernel.
The kernel abstracts away the actual hardware, and Qemu then uses this
abstract interfaces to create something that is specific. By moving
platform device emulation into KVM, much of that (unnecessary)
indirection goes away. Furthermore, scheduling and guest-interrupt
handling is something that is most naturally done in the host kernel -
any indirection is unnecessary fat that distracts from the core purpose
of building a first-class hypervisor subsystem.
Ingo
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2007-04-02 11:46 QEMU PIC indirection patch for in-kernel APIC work Gregory Haskins
[not found] ` <4610A6A9.BA47.005A.0-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 6:53 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46134B74.1080004-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4613B438.60107-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:39 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4613B89F.8090806-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 14:55 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4613BC6B.1070708-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:06 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4613BF07.50606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:36 ` Nakajima, Jun
[not found] ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B9580-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:47 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318E96-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 15:53 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4613C9EE.5030600-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:05 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4613CCD1.2070702-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:20 ` Nakajima, Jun
[not found] ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B962E-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:27 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318EDB-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:43 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4613D596.7080201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:54 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-04 16:32 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4613D30E.7030905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:48 ` Nakajima, Jun
[not found] ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B96AA-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:58 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4613D93A.5020902-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 17:09 ` Nakajima, Jun
[not found] ` <8FFF7E42E93CC646B632AB40643802A8025B970D-1a9uaKK1+wJcIJlls4ac1rfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 21:33 ` Dor Laor
2007-04-04 18:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-04 15:51 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4613C993.9020405-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:02 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4613CC01.1090500-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:09 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4613CDB2.4000903-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:19 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4613D001.3040606-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:01 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20070404200112.GA6070-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 20:24 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <4614098F.2030307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 21:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 23:19 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-05 7:17 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-06 1:02 ` Rusty Russell
2007-04-08 5:36 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46187F4E.1080807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-08 9:04 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2007-04-09 2:50 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1176087018.11664.65.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09 7:10 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4619E6DC.3010804-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09 9:46 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1176111984.11664.90.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-09 13:38 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <461A41CA.9080201-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 8:07 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10 8:19 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <461B48A8.1060904-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 8:58 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10 11:21 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <461B7334.8090807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 11:50 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-04-10 12:17 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
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2007-04-10 12:30 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
[not found] ` <20070410123034.GA11493-9fLWQ3dKdXwox3rIn2DAYQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-10 12:49 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-11 3:53 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1176263593.26372.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 4:26 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <461C6360.1060908-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 13:23 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1176297794.14322.72.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 14:28 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <461CF098.3090003-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-11 23:30 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1176334200.14322.133.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-12 3:32 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-16 0:22 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-16 5:13 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <1175728768.12230.593.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 9:30 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20070405093033.GC25448-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 9:58 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-05 10:26 ` [kvm-devel] " Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 11:26 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4614DCE1.70905-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 11:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 1:16 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-04-06 18:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 10:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 14:32 ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-04-06 10:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 11:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 22:07 ` Dor Laor
2007-04-05 6:54 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-05 6:40 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-04 16:23 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160B318ED4-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 16:48 ` Anthony Liguori
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2007-04-04 20:07 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-04-05 13:50 ` Dong, Eddie
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2007-04-05 13:59 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-04-05 14:52 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987F2444B-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:01 ` Avi Kivity
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2007-04-05 15:16 ` Dong, Eddie
[not found] ` <0E6FE5D295DE5B4B8D9070C26A227987F24452-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-05 15:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-05 15:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-05 14:41 ` Dor Laor
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2007-04-05 14:48 ` Dong, Eddie
2007-04-05 14:57 ` Dong, Eddie
2007-04-04 17:51 ` Gregory Haskins
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2007-04-04 18:19 ` Anthony Liguori
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