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From: Fernando Luis Vazquez Cao <fernando@kic.ac.jp>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: "Eric Sandeen" <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	"Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao" <fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>, "Theodore Tso" <tytso@MIT.EDU>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@suse.cz>,
	"kernel list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jens Axboe" <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"Ric Wheeler" <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: vfs: Add MS_FLUSHONFSYNC mount flag
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:29:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1234542568.9916.183.camel@bladerunner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090213122051.GX8830@disturbed>

On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 23:20 +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:20:17AM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> > I'm just a little leery of the "dangerous" mount option proliferation, I
> > guess.
> 
> You're not the only one, Eric. It's bad enough having to explain to
> users what barriers do once they have lost data after a power loss,
> let alone confusing them further by adding more mount options they
> will get wrong by accident....

That is precisely the reason why we should use sensible defaults, which
in this case means enabling barriers and flushing disk caches on
fsync()/fdatasync() by default.

Adding either a new mount option (as you yourself suggest below) or a
sysfs tunable is desirable for those cases when we really do not need to
flush the disk write cache to guarantee integrity (battery-backed block
devices come to mind), or we want to be fast at the cost of potentially
losing some data.

> Quite frankly, the VFS should do stuff that is slow and safe
> and filesystems can choose to ignore the VFS (via filesystem
> specific mount options) if they want to be fast and potentially
> unsafe.

To avoid unnecessary flushes and allow for filesystem-specific
optimizations I was considering the following approach:

1- Add flushonfsync mount option (as an aside, I am of the opinion that
it should be set by default).
2- Modify file_fsync() so that it checks whether FLUSHONFSYNC is set and
flushes the underlying device accordingly. With this we would cover all
filesystems that use the vfs-provided file_fsync() as their fsync method
(commonly used filesystems such as fat fall in this group).
3- Advanced filesystems (ext3/4, XFS, btrfs, etc) which provide their
own fsync implementations are allowed to perform filesystem-specific
optimizations there to minimize the number of flushes and maximize
throughput.

In this patch set I implemented (1) and (3) for ext3/4 to have some code
to comment on.

Does this approach make sense? Thoughts?

- Fernando


  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-13 13:14 ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Pavel Machek
2009-01-13 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 14:03   ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 14:07     ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-13 14:26       ` [PATCH] block: Fix documentation for blkdev_issue_flush() Theodore Ts'o
2009-01-13 14:28         ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-13 14:30     ` ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Jan Kara
2009-01-13 14:46       ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14  3:37       ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-14 10:35         ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 13:21           ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:05             ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 14:08               ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-14 14:34                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:43                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-02-12 16:43                 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-16 12:09                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-14 14:12               ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:37                 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 16:59                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-15 12:06                     ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-15 23:45                       ` Jan Kara
2009-01-16 12:31                         ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 13:55                           ` ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 16:30                             ` Jan Kara
2009-01-17  9:47                               ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-17 10:00                                 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-19 12:03                                   ` Jan Kara
2009-01-28  9:45                                     ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-28  9:55                                       ` Jan Kara
2009-02-12 10:33                                         ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:35                                           ` vfs: Improve readability off mount flag definitins by using offsets Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:36                                           ` vfs: Add MS_FLUSHONFSYNC mount flag Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 17:13                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-12 17:29                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-14 15:36                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-02-15  7:23                                                   ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 22:54                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-16  4:29                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-16  7:47                                                       ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16  7:47                                                         ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 21:23                                               ` Jan Kara
2009-02-12 21:30                                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13  1:47                                                   ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13  6:07                                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13  2:23                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-22 14:15                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-22 20:51                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-22 23:19                                                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-22 23:42                                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-22 23:46                                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-23  1:23                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-13  1:14                                               ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13  6:20                                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13 10:36                                                   ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13 12:20                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-13 16:29                                                     ` Fernando Luis Vazquez Cao [this message]
2009-02-14 11:24                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-14 13:03                                                         ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-14 13:19                                                           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15  2:48                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-15  7:11                                                             ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:37                                           ` util-linux: Add new mount options flushonfsync and noflushonfsync to mount Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:38                                           ` util-linux: Add explanation for new mount options flushonfsync and noflushonfsync to mount(8) man page Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:38                                           ` block: Add block_flush_device() Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:39                                           ` ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:40                                           ` ext4: " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 22:46                                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-16  7:09                                               ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16  7:25                                                 ` [PATCH 1/3] block: Add block_flush_device() Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16  7:29                                                 ` [2/3] ext3: call block_flush_device() on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16  7:31                                                 ` [PATCH 3/3] ext4: " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 13:59                           ` ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-13 14:42   ` ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Pavel Machek

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