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From: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
To: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
	<devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:04:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1349827466.26044.16@snotra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5074B155.4090703@firmworks.com> (from wmb@firmworks.com on Tue Oct  9 18:20:53 2012)

On 10/09/2012 06:20:53 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
> On 10/9/2012 11:16 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> > On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
> >>
> >> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
> >
> > Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
> > process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon  
> exactly
> > what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be easy
> > enough to recognize it when one sees it?
> 
> 
> One of the ways it could get out of hand would be via "include
> dependency hell".  People will be tempted to reuse existing .h files
> containing pin definitions, which, if history is a guide, will end up
> depending on all sorts of other .h files.
> 
> Another problem I often face with symbolic names is the difficulty of
> figuring out what the numerical values really are (for debugging),
> especially when .h files are in different subtrees from the files that
> use the definitions, and when they use multiple macro levels and fancy
> features like concatenation.  Sometimes I think it's clearer just to
> write the number and use a comment to say what it is.

Both comments apply just as well to ordinary C code, and I don't think  
anyone would seriously suggest just using comments instead for C code.

Is there a way to ask CPP to evaluate a macro in the context of the  
input file, rather than produce normal output?  If not, I guess you  
could make a tool that creates a wrapper file that includes the main  
file and then evaluates the symbol you want.

-Scott

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From: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
To: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:04:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1349827466.26044.16@snotra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5074B155.4090703@firmworks.com> (from wmb@firmworks.com on Tue Oct  9 18:20:53 2012)

On 10/09/2012 06:20:53 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
> On 10/9/2012 11:16 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> > On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
> >>
> >> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
> >
> > Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
> > process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon  
> exactly
> > what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be easy
> > enough to recognize it when one sees it?
> 
> 
> One of the ways it could get out of hand would be via "include
> dependency hell".  People will be tempted to reuse existing .h files
> containing pin definitions, which, if history is a guide, will end up
> depending on all sorts of other .h files.
> 
> Another problem I often face with symbolic names is the difficulty of
> figuring out what the numerical values really are (for debugging),
> especially when .h files are in different subtrees from the files that
> use the definitions, and when they use multiple macro levels and fancy
> features like concatenation.  Sometimes I think it's clearer just to
> write the number and use a comment to say what it is.

Both comments apply just as well to ordinary C code, and I don't think  
anyone would seriously suggest just using comments instead for C code.

Is there a way to ask CPP to evaluate a macro in the context of the  
input file, rather than produce normal output?  If not, I guess you  
could make a tool that creates a wrapper file that includes the main  
file and then evaluates the symbol you want.

-Scott

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-10  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-28 21:25 [PATCH] dtc: import latest upstream dtc Stephen Warren
2012-09-29 21:06 ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 16:09 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 16:13   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-01 16:13     ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-01 17:56     ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 17:56       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 18:33       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-01 18:39         ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 18:39           ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-09 21:16           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-09 21:16             ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-09 23:20             ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-09 23:20               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10  0:04               ` Scott Wood [this message]
2012-10-10  0:04                 ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10  4:43                 ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10  7:24                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 14:41                     ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 14:41                       ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 23:06                       ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:16                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:33                       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 16:19                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 17:18                           ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 18:42                             ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 23:16                         ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:16                           ` David Gibson
2012-10-11  1:42                           ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-11  5:11                             ` David Gibson
2012-10-11  5:11                               ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:09                       ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:09                         ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:15                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:15                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 16:09                   ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 16:09                     ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 16:22                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 23:18                       ` David Gibson
2012-10-12 17:24                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-13  6:24                           ` David Gibson
2012-10-13  6:24                             ` David Gibson
2012-10-13 13:42                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2012-10-13 13:42                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2012-10-14  0:16                               ` David Gibson
2012-10-14  0:16                                 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 17:09             ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 18:23               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:23                 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:45                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 18:45                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 18:56                   ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:56                     ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-11  0:14                     ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:54                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 18:40               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 18:52                 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:52                   ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-01 18:02   ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 18:02     ` Jon Loeliger

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