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From: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
Cc: Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:56:11 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5075C4CB.8020409@firmworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5075C254.4040304@wwwdotorg.org>

On 10/10/2012 8:45 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 10/10/2012 12:23 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
>> On 10/10/2012 7:09 AM, Rob Herring wrote:
>>> On 10/09/2012 04:16 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
>>>>>
>>>>> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
>>>> process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon exactly
>>>> what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be easy
>>>> enough to recognize it when one sees it?
>>>
>>> Rather than repeating things over and over in reviews, we should
>>> document at least rules we can easily agree on and then add to it when
>>> people get "creative." Also, I can't keep up with every single binding
>>> review as is, and this could just add another level of complexity to the
>>> review. A few off the top of my head and from the thread discussion:
>>>
>>> - Headers must be self contained with no outside (i.e. libc, kernel,
>>> etc.) header dependencies.
>>> - No kernel kconfig option usage
>>> - No gcc built-in define usage
>>> - No unused items (i.e. externs, structs, etc.)
>>> - No macro concatenation
>>> - No macros for strings or property names
>>
>> Instead of making a bunch of rules about how you can only use a small
>> subset of cpp, why not just add a "define name value" command to DTC?
> 
> I implemented a patch to do exactly that, and it was rejected because it
> only solved part of the problem (named constants) and not the reset (a
> completely generic macro language/... within dtc). The argument was that
> defining just the named constant syntax on its own without knowing what
> the unspecified future macro language will look like might result in the
> named constant syntax not fitting into it.
> 
> That all said, I now think that using cpp is actually a much better
> solution that adding yet more dtc-specific syntax. The *huge* benefit
> here is that it allows you to share .h files between *.dts and C code,
> so you don't have to write out the same set of #defines once in dtc
> syntax and once in cpp syntax.

... and it imposes an equally *huge* restriction that you have to
restrict the .h file to avoid avoid C constructs.  That can be done, but
I've personally experienced a lot of headaches when trying to share .h
files between different languages.

> 

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From: Mitch Bradley <wmb-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:56:11 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5075C4CB.8020409@firmworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5075C254.4040304-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>

On 10/10/2012 8:45 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 10/10/2012 12:23 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
>> On 10/10/2012 7:09 AM, Rob Herring wrote:
>>> On 10/09/2012 04:16 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
>>>>>
>>>>> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
>>>> process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon exactly
>>>> what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be easy
>>>> enough to recognize it when one sees it?
>>>
>>> Rather than repeating things over and over in reviews, we should
>>> document at least rules we can easily agree on and then add to it when
>>> people get "creative." Also, I can't keep up with every single binding
>>> review as is, and this could just add another level of complexity to the
>>> review. A few off the top of my head and from the thread discussion:
>>>
>>> - Headers must be self contained with no outside (i.e. libc, kernel,
>>> etc.) header dependencies.
>>> - No kernel kconfig option usage
>>> - No gcc built-in define usage
>>> - No unused items (i.e. externs, structs, etc.)
>>> - No macro concatenation
>>> - No macros for strings or property names
>>
>> Instead of making a bunch of rules about how you can only use a small
>> subset of cpp, why not just add a "define name value" command to DTC?
> 
> I implemented a patch to do exactly that, and it was rejected because it
> only solved part of the problem (named constants) and not the reset (a
> completely generic macro language/... within dtc). The argument was that
> defining just the named constant syntax on its own without knowing what
> the unspecified future macro language will look like might result in the
> named constant syntax not fitting into it.
> 
> That all said, I now think that using cpp is actually a much better
> solution that adding yet more dtc-specific syntax. The *huge* benefit
> here is that it allows you to share .h files between *.dts and C code,
> so you don't have to write out the same set of #defines once in dtc
> syntax and once in cpp syntax.

... and it imposes an equally *huge* restriction that you have to
restrict the .h file to avoid avoid C constructs.  That can be done, but
I've personally experienced a lot of headaches when trying to share .h
files between different languages.

> 

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-10 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-28 21:25 [PATCH] dtc: import latest upstream dtc Stephen Warren
2012-09-29 21:06 ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 16:09 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 16:13   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-01 16:13     ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-01 17:56     ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 17:56       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 18:33       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-01 18:39         ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 18:39           ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-09 21:16           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-09 21:16             ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-09 23:20             ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-09 23:20               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10  0:04               ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10  0:04                 ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10  4:43                 ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10  7:24                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 14:41                     ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 14:41                       ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 23:06                       ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:16                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:33                       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 16:19                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 17:18                           ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 18:42                             ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 23:16                         ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:16                           ` David Gibson
2012-10-11  1:42                           ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-11  5:11                             ` David Gibson
2012-10-11  5:11                               ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:09                       ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:09                         ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:15                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:15                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 16:09                   ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 16:09                     ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 16:22                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 23:18                       ` David Gibson
2012-10-12 17:24                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-13  6:24                           ` David Gibson
2012-10-13  6:24                             ` David Gibson
2012-10-13 13:42                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2012-10-13 13:42                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2012-10-14  0:16                               ` David Gibson
2012-10-14  0:16                                 ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 17:09             ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 18:23               ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:23                 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:45                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 18:45                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 18:56                   ` Mitch Bradley [this message]
2012-10-10 18:56                     ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-11  0:14                     ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:54                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 18:40               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 18:52                 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10 18:52                   ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-01 18:02   ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 18:02     ` Jon Loeliger

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