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From: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
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	Rob Herring <rob.herring@linaro.org>,
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	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@citrix.com>,
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	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:03:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1395651814.4052.6.camel__6678.72698181799$1395651924$gmane$org@dagon.hellion.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140322122354.7644FC418C4@trevor.secretlab.ca>

On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 12:23 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> That isn't actually my position. I absolutely think that VMs /should/
> implement persistent variables, but the variables are a property of a VM
> instance, not of the disk image. As far as this spec is concerned, I
> think portable disk images should operate under the assumption of an
> empty set of variables, and therefore follow the removable disk
> requirements in the UEFI spec.

Just to be sure I understand. You position is:
     1. A VM image downloaded from www.distro.org should neither contain
        nor expect any persistent variables to be present.
     2. After a VM image is instantiated into a specific VM instance and
        booted then it is at liberty to set persistent variables (either
        on first boot or as part of an upgrade) and the VM should ensure
        that those variables a retained over reboot for that specific
        instance.
     3. If a VM does not preserve those variables then the instance
        should have some sane functional fallback (implied by the
        removable disk requirements from the UEFI spec).

Is that right? I'm pretty sure you meant (1), reasonably sure you meant
(2) and not at all sure you meant (3) ;-)

Ian.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-24  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 222+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-26 18:34 [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 18:34 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 19:27 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:27   ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:51   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 19:51   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 19:51     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 13:12     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-27 13:12     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-27 13:12       ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-27 16:02       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 16:02         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 16:02       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 15:41       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:41         ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 19:27 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 19:55   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 20:05   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:05     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:22     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 20:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]       ` < CABGGisxHOVqLcG7hVAuAzdeic41KWSLLBSjQLSJQcjTXLhNCow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-02-26 21:56       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 21:56       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 21:56         ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:21         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:21         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:21           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27  7:30           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27  7:30           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27  7:30             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 10:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 10:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 10:05               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-01 19:12           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:12           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:12             ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 20:22     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27  9:35     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-27  9:35       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-27  9:35     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-26 20:05   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 20:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 20:19     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 20:20     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 20:20       ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 20:20     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 21:48   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 21:48     ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 22:25     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:25       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 19:20       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:20       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:20         ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 22:25     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 12:31     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 12:31       ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 14:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 14:00         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 14:24         ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-27 14:24           ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-27 19:56           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 19:56           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 19:56             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28  0:05             ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28  0:05             ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28  0:05               ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28 10:01               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]               ` <CB7DBE07-42BD-4588-AC9E-CB0BF95A811A-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-28 10:01                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 10:01                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 13:38                 ` Riku Voipio
2014-02-28 13:38               ` Riku Voipio
2014-02-28 14:44               ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-28 14:44                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-28 14:44               ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 14:24         ` Alexander Graf
2014-03-01 19:25         ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:25           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:25         ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 14:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 12:31     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-26 21:48   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 22:49   ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:49     ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:54     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 22:54       ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:08       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:08       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:08         ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:14         ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:14           ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27  4:06           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-27  4:06             ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-27  4:06           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-26 23:14         ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 11:36         ` Robie Basak
2014-02-27 11:36           ` Robie Basak
2014-02-27 11:36         ` Robie Basak
2014-02-26 22:54     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:13     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 23:13     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 23:13       ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 22:49   ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 21:05 ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:05 ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:05   ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:08   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 21:08     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 21:08   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:35 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 22:47   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:47     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:47   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 12:27   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 12:27   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 12:27     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-03-01 19:54     ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 12:55   ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 12:55     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 12:55   ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 22:35 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27  0:41 ` Blibbet
2014-02-27  0:41   ` Blibbet
2014-02-27  0:41 ` Blibbet
     [not found] ` <20140226134251.0436294e@anubis.ausil.us>
     [not found]   ` <CAMJs5B9bCs8Oz2Zg4UK--A3H4AaZRPMwy7SpxYom-1--_=qhBQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <20140226151536.58154704@anubis.ausil.us>
2014-02-27 17:34       ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 17:34       ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 17:34         ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:27 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:27   ` Grant Likely
2014-03-03  1:13   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-03  1:13     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-03  1:13   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-06  8:52   ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06  8:52   ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06  8:52     ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06  9:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06  9:46       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 11:44       ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-06 11:44       ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-06 11:44         ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-06 12:04         ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 12:04           ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 12:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 12:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 12:10             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-07 12:24           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-06 12:04         ` Robie Basak
     [not found]         ` <20140306120449.GA29916@ mal.justgohome.co.uk>
     [not found]           ` <20140306120449.GA29916-TaX3GuEuUBUVRcMIguc0yNBc4/FLrbF6@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-07 12:24             ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:24               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]               ` < 20140322010206.GF25519@cbox>
2014-03-22  2:29               ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22  2:29               ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22  2:29                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22  8:08                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22  8:08                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22  8:08                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-23  3:19                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:19                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:29                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:29                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:29                       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24  9:57                       ` Robie Basak
2014-03-24  9:57                         ` Robie Basak
2014-03-24 10:46                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:46                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:46                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24  9:57                       ` Robie Basak
2014-03-23  3:19                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22 12:23                 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 12:23                   ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 19:57                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 19:57                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 22:35                     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 22:35                       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 22:35                     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 23:38                     ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-22 23:38                     ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-22 23:38                       ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-23  0:33                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-23  0:33                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-23  0:33                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-22 19:57                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-23  3:23                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:23                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:23                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24  9:03                   ` Ian Campbell [this message]
2014-03-24  9:03                   ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24  9:03                     ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:41                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:41                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:41                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:47                       ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:47                         ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:47                       ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:13                     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-24 12:13                     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-24 12:13                       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-24 12:16                       ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:16                       ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:16                         ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-22 12:23                 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:19       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-08 11:41       ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-08 11:41         ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-08 20:41         ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-08 20:41         ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-08 20:41           ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-08 11:41       ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-06  9:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-07 12:09     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:09     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:09       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <531843EE. 8040102@redhat.com>
     [not found]       ` <531843EE.8040102-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-07 12:19         ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:19           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:27 ` Grant Likely
     [not found] ` < CACxGe6tjuytsYAn6Hadf0AK+REzHgRydgbHPafL8+Sdtd_tMUA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <alpine .DEB.2.02.1402271216040.31489@kaball.uk.xensource.com>
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1402271216040.31489-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-01 19:54       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:54         ` Grant Likely
2014-03-02  9:29         ` Peter Maydell
2014-03-02  9:29         ` Peter Maydell
2014-03-02  9:29           ` Peter Maydell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-02-26 18:34 Christoffer Dall

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