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From: "Michał Leszczyński" <michal.leszczynski@cert.pl>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: "Kevin Tian" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Julien Grall" <julien@xen.org>, "Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"Ian Jackson" <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	"George Dunlap" <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
	"Kang, Luwei" <luwei.kang@intel.com>,
	"Jun Nakajima" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	"Tamas K Lengyel" <tamas.k.lengyel@gmail.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/7] x86/vmx: add do_vmtrace_op
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 18:22:02 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1402108091.11431889.1592842922883.JavaMail.zimbra@cert.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5b7dd58f-2dc1-32bc-3add-d896631734a4@suse.com>

----- 22 cze 2020 o 18:16, Jan Beulich jbeulich@suse.com napisał(a):

> On 22.06.2020 18:02, Michał Leszczyński wrote:
>> ----- 22 cze 2020 o 17:22, Jan Beulich jbeulich@suse.com napisał(a):
>>> On 22.06.2020 16:35, Michał Leszczyński wrote:
>>>> ----- 22 cze 2020 o 15:25, Jan Beulich jbeulich@suse.com napisał(a):
>>>>> Is any of what you do in this switch() actually legitimate without
>>>>> hvm_set_vmtrace_pt_size() having got called for the guest? From
>>>>> remarks elsewhere I imply you expect the param that you currently
>>>>> use to be set upon domain creation time, but at the very least the
>>>>> potentially big buffer should imo not get allocated up front, but
>>>>> only when tracing is to actually be enabled.
>>>>
>>>> Wait... so you want to allocate these buffers in runtime?
>>>> Previously we were talking that there is too much runtime logic
>>>> and these enable/disable hypercalls should be stripped to absolute
>>>> minimum.
>>>
>>> Basic arrangements can be made at domain creation time. I don't
>>> think though that it would be a good use of memory if you
>>> allocated perhaps many gigabytes of memory just for possibly
>>> wanting to enable tracing on a guest.
>>>
>> 
>> From our previous conversations I thought that you want to have
>> as much logic moved to the domain creation as possible.
>> 
>> Thus, a parameter "vmtrace_pt_size" was introduced. By default it's
>> zero (= disabled), if you set it to a non-zero value, then trace buffers
>> of given size will be allocated for the domain and you have possibility
>> to use ipt_enable/ipt_disable at any moment.
>> 
>> This way the runtime logic is as thin as possible. I assume user knows
>> in advance whether he/she would want to use external monitoring with IPT
>> or not.
> 
> Andrew - I think you requested movement to domain_create(). Could
> you clarify if indeed you mean to also allocate the big buffers
> this early?
> 
>> It's also not "many gigabytes". In most use cases a buffer of 16/32/64 MB
>> would suffice, I think.
> 
> But that one such buffer per vCPU, isn't it? Plus these buffers
> need to be physically contiguous, which is an additional possibly
> severe constraint.

Yes. For my use case (VMI stuff) I estimate 16-64 MB per vCPU and for fuzzing
I think it would be even less.

And also yes - these buffers need to be physically contigous and aligned
because otherwise CPU would refuse to use them.


Best regards,
Michał Leszczyński
CERT Polska



  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-22 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-18 23:34 [PATCH v2 0/7] Implement support for external IPT monitoring Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 23:38 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] xen/mm: lift 32 item limit from mfn/gfn arrays Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19 11:34   ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-19 11:36     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19 11:48       ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-19 11:51         ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19 12:35     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19 12:39       ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-22  3:00         ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 23:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] x86/vmx: add Intel PT MSR definitions Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-22 12:35   ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-18 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] x86/vmx: add IPT cpu feature Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19 13:44   ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-19 14:22     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19 15:31       ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-22  2:49     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-22  8:31       ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-22 12:40   ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-18 23:41 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] x86/vmx: add do_vmtrace_op Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19  0:46   ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-19 15:30   ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-19 15:50     ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-22  2:45       ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-22  2:56   ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-22  8:39     ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-22 13:25   ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-22 14:35     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-22 15:22       ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-22 16:02         ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-22 16:16           ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-22 16:22             ` Michał Leszczyński [this message]
2020-06-22 16:25             ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-22 16:33               ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-23  1:04             ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-23  8:51               ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-23 17:24                 ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-24 10:03                   ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-24 12:40                     ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-24 12:52                       ` Tamas K Lengyel
2020-06-24 12:23                   ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-22 17:05           ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-23  8:49             ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-18 23:41 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] tools/libxc: add xc_vmtrace_* functions Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 23:42 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] tools/libxl: add vmtrace_pt_size parameter Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 23:42 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] tools/proctrace: add proctrace tool Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 23:51 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Implement support for external IPT monitoring Michał Leszczyński

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