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From: Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Amit Shah <amit@kernel.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@intel.com>,
	Qemu Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal <nilal@redhat.com>,
	Aams@amazon.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM "fake DAX" flushing interface - discussion
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 06:21:36 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1412426579.28360924.1510053696238.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4jdJwUQTy7O7Ar82J+gAi54ycCTa=HSfXY5Ogwqi+oC-Q@mail.gmail.com>


> >
> >
> >> [..]
> >> >> Yes, the GUID will specifically identify this range as "Virtio Shared
> >> >> Memory" (or whatever name survives after a bikeshed debate). The
> >> >> libnvdimm core then needs to grow a new region type that mostly
> >> >> behaves the same as a "pmem" region, but drivers/nvdimm/pmem.c grows a
> >> >> new flush interface to perform the host communication. Device-dax
> >> >> would be disallowed from attaching to this region type, or we could
> >> >> grow a new device-dax type that does not allow the raw device to be
> >> >> mapped, but allows a filesystem mounted on top to manage the flush
> >> >> interface.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am afraid it is not a good idea that a single SPA is used for multiple
> >> > purposes. For the region used as "pmem" is directly mapped to the VM so
> >> > that guest can freely access it without host's assistance, however, for
> >> > the region used as "host communication" is not mapped to VM, so that
> >> > it causes VM-exit and host gets the chance to do specific operations,
> >> > e.g, flush cache. So we'd better distinctly define these two regions to
> >> > avoid the unnecessary complexity in hypervisor.
> >>
> >> Good point, I was assuming that the mmio flush interface would be
> >> discovered separately from the NFIT-defined memory range. Perhaps via
> >> PCI in the guest? This piece of the proposal  needs a bit more
> >> thought...
> >
> > Also, in earlier discussions we agreed for entire device flush whenever
> > guest
> > performs a fsync on DAX file. If we do a MMIO call for this, guest CPU
> > would be
> > trapped for the duration device flush is completed.
> >
> > Instead, if we do perform an asynchronous flush guest CPU's can be utilized
> > by
> > some other tasks till flush completes?
> 
> Yes, the interface for the guest to trigger and wait for flush
> requests should be asynchronous, just like a storage "flush-cache"
> command.

One idea got while discussing this with Rik & Amit during KVM forum is to use something 
similar to Hyperv Key-value pair for sharing command between guest <=> host. Don't think 
such thing exists yet for KVM? Or how we can utilize existing features in KVM to achieve this?
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From: Pankaj Gupta <pagupta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Xiao Guangrong
	<xiaoguangrong.eric-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Amit Shah <amit-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi
	<stefanha-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Ross Zwisler
	<ross.zwisler-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Qemu Developers
	<qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi
	<stefanha-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm-hn68Rpc1hR1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-nvdimm-y27Ovi1pjclAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal
	<nilal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Aams-vV1OtcyAfmbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM "fake DAX" flushing interface - discussion
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 06:21:36 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1412426579.28360924.1510053696238.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4jdJwUQTy7O7Ar82J+gAi54ycCTa=HSfXY5Ogwqi+oC-Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>


> >
> >
> >> [..]
> >> >> Yes, the GUID will specifically identify this range as "Virtio Shared
> >> >> Memory" (or whatever name survives after a bikeshed debate). The
> >> >> libnvdimm core then needs to grow a new region type that mostly
> >> >> behaves the same as a "pmem" region, but drivers/nvdimm/pmem.c grows a
> >> >> new flush interface to perform the host communication. Device-dax
> >> >> would be disallowed from attaching to this region type, or we could
> >> >> grow a new device-dax type that does not allow the raw device to be
> >> >> mapped, but allows a filesystem mounted on top to manage the flush
> >> >> interface.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am afraid it is not a good idea that a single SPA is used for multiple
> >> > purposes. For the region used as "pmem" is directly mapped to the VM so
> >> > that guest can freely access it without host's assistance, however, for
> >> > the region used as "host communication" is not mapped to VM, so that
> >> > it causes VM-exit and host gets the chance to do specific operations,
> >> > e.g, flush cache. So we'd better distinctly define these two regions to
> >> > avoid the unnecessary complexity in hypervisor.
> >>
> >> Good point, I was assuming that the mmio flush interface would be
> >> discovered separately from the NFIT-defined memory range. Perhaps via
> >> PCI in the guest? This piece of the proposal  needs a bit more
> >> thought...
> >
> > Also, in earlier discussions we agreed for entire device flush whenever
> > guest
> > performs a fsync on DAX file. If we do a MMIO call for this, guest CPU
> > would be
> > trapped for the duration device flush is completed.
> >
> > Instead, if we do perform an asynchronous flush guest CPU's can be utilized
> > by
> > some other tasks till flush completes?
> 
> Yes, the interface for the guest to trigger and wait for flush
> requests should be asynchronous, just like a storage "flush-cache"
> command.

One idea got while discussing this with Rik & Amit during KVM forum is to use something 
similar to Hyperv Key-value pair for sharing command between guest <=> host. Don't think 
such thing exists yet for KVM? Or how we can utilize existing features in KVM to achieve this?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@intel.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Qemu Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	ross zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal <nilal@redhat.com>,
	Amit Shah <amit@kernel.org>,
	Aams@amazon.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM "fake DAX" flushing interface - discussion
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 06:21:36 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1412426579.28360924.1510053696238.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4jdJwUQTy7O7Ar82J+gAi54ycCTa=HSfXY5Ogwqi+oC-Q@mail.gmail.com>


> >
> >
> >> [..]
> >> >> Yes, the GUID will specifically identify this range as "Virtio Shared
> >> >> Memory" (or whatever name survives after a bikeshed debate). The
> >> >> libnvdimm core then needs to grow a new region type that mostly
> >> >> behaves the same as a "pmem" region, but drivers/nvdimm/pmem.c grows a
> >> >> new flush interface to perform the host communication. Device-dax
> >> >> would be disallowed from attaching to this region type, or we could
> >> >> grow a new device-dax type that does not allow the raw device to be
> >> >> mapped, but allows a filesystem mounted on top to manage the flush
> >> >> interface.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am afraid it is not a good idea that a single SPA is used for multiple
> >> > purposes. For the region used as "pmem" is directly mapped to the VM so
> >> > that guest can freely access it without host's assistance, however, for
> >> > the region used as "host communication" is not mapped to VM, so that
> >> > it causes VM-exit and host gets the chance to do specific operations,
> >> > e.g, flush cache. So we'd better distinctly define these two regions to
> >> > avoid the unnecessary complexity in hypervisor.
> >>
> >> Good point, I was assuming that the mmio flush interface would be
> >> discovered separately from the NFIT-defined memory range. Perhaps via
> >> PCI in the guest? This piece of the proposal  needs a bit more
> >> thought...
> >
> > Also, in earlier discussions we agreed for entire device flush whenever
> > guest
> > performs a fsync on DAX file. If we do a MMIO call for this, guest CPU
> > would be
> > trapped for the duration device flush is completed.
> >
> > Instead, if we do perform an asynchronous flush guest CPU's can be utilized
> > by
> > some other tasks till flush completes?
> 
> Yes, the interface for the guest to trigger and wait for flush
> requests should be asynchronous, just like a storage "flush-cache"
> command.

One idea got while discussing this with Rik & Amit during KVM forum is to use something 
similar to Hyperv Key-value pair for sharing command between guest <=> host. Don't think 
such thing exists yet for KVM? Or how we can utilize existing features in KVM to achieve this?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-07 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2017-07-21  6:56 ` KVM "fake DAX" flushing interface - discussion Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21  6:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21  6:56   ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21  9:51   ` Haozhong Zhang
2017-07-21  9:51     ` [Qemu-devel] " Haozhong Zhang
2017-07-21  9:51     ` Haozhong Zhang
2017-07-21 10:21     ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21 10:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21 10:21       ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21 12:12   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-21 12:12     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-21 13:29     ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21 13:29       ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21 13:29       ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21 14:00       ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-21 14:00         ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-07-21 14:00         ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-21 15:58       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-21 15:58         ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-22 19:34         ` Dan Williams
2017-07-22 19:34           ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-22 19:34           ` Dan Williams
2017-07-23 14:04           ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-23 14:04             ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-07-23 14:04             ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-23 16:01             ` Dan Williams
2017-07-23 16:01               ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-23 16:01               ` Dan Williams
2017-07-23 18:10               ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-23 18:10                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-07-23 18:10                 ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-23 20:10                 ` Dan Williams
2017-07-23 20:10                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-23 20:10                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-24 10:23                   ` Jan Kara
2017-07-24 10:23                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kara
2017-07-24 10:23                     ` Jan Kara
2017-07-24 12:06                     ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-24 12:06                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-24 12:06                       ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-24 12:37                       ` Jan Kara
2017-07-24 12:37                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kara
2017-07-24 12:37                         ` Jan Kara
2017-07-24 15:10                         ` Dan Williams
2017-07-24 15:10                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-24 15:10                           ` Dan Williams
2017-07-24 15:48                           ` Jan Kara
2017-07-24 15:48                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kara
2017-07-24 15:48                             ` Jan Kara
2017-07-24 16:19                             ` Dan Williams
2017-07-24 16:19                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-24 16:19                               ` Dan Williams
2017-07-25 14:27                         ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-25 14:27                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-25 14:27                           ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-25 14:46                           ` Dan Williams
2017-07-25 14:46                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-25 14:46                             ` Dan Williams
2017-07-25 20:59                             ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-25 20:59                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-07-26 13:47                               ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-26 13:47                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-26 13:47                                 ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-26 21:27                                 ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-26 21:27                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-07-26 21:40                                   ` Dan Williams
2017-07-26 21:40                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-26 21:40                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-26 23:46                                     ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-26 23:46                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-07-26 23:46                                       ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-27  0:54                                       ` Dan Williams
2017-07-27  0:54                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-07-27  0:54                                         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-31  7:13                                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-10-31  7:13                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2017-10-31  7:13                                           ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-10-31 14:20                                           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-31 14:20                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-10-31 14:20                                             ` Dan Williams
2017-11-01  3:43                                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-01  3:43                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-01  3:43                                               ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-01  4:25                                               ` Dan Williams
2017-11-01  4:25                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-11-01  4:25                                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-11-01  6:46                                                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-01  6:46                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-01  6:46                                                   ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-01 15:20                                                   ` Dan Williams
2017-11-01 15:20                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-11-01 15:20                                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-11-02  8:50                                                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-02  8:50                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-02  8:50                                                       ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-02 16:30                                                       ` Dan Williams
2017-11-02 16:30                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-11-02 16:30                                                         ` Dan Williams
2017-11-03  6:21                                                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-03  6:21                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-03  6:21                                                           ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-21 18:19                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2017-11-21 18:19                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-11-21 18:26                                                             ` Dan Williams
2017-11-21 18:26                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-11-21 18:26                                                               ` Dan Williams
2017-11-21 18:35                                                               ` Rik van Riel
2017-11-21 18:35                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2017-11-23  4:05                                                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-23  4:05                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-23  4:05                                                               ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-23 16:14                                                               ` Dan Williams
2017-11-23 16:14                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-11-23 16:14                                                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-11-23 16:28                                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-23 16:28                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-23 16:28                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-24 12:40                                                                   ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-24 12:40                                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-24 12:40                                                                     ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-24 12:44                                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-24 12:44                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-24 12:44                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-24 13:02                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-24 13:02                                                                         ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-24 13:20                                                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-24 13:20                                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-28 18:03                                                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-11-28 18:03                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2017-11-28 18:03                                                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-13  6:23                                                                       ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-13  6:23                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-13  6:23                                                                         ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17 16:17                                                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-17 16:17                                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2018-01-17 16:17                                                                           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-17 17:31                                                                           ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17 17:31                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17 17:31                                                                             ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 16:53                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 16:53                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 16:53                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 17:38                                                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 17:38                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2018-01-18 17:38                                                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 17:48                                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 17:48                                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 17:48                                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 18:45                                                                           ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 18:45                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2018-01-18 18:45                                                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 18:54                                                                           ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 18:54                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 18:54                                                                             ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 18:59                                                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 18:59                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2018-01-18 18:59                                                                               ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 19:36                                                                               ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 19:36                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 19:36                                                                                 ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 19:48                                                                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 19:48                                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2018-01-18 19:48                                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 19:51                                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 19:51                                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 19:51                                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 20:11                                                                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 20:11                                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Dan Williams
2018-01-18 20:11                                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2017-11-06  7:57                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-06  7:57                                                           ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-06 16:57                                                           ` Dan Williams
2017-11-06 16:57                                                             ` Dan Williams
2017-11-07 11:21                                                             ` Pankaj Gupta [this message]
2017-11-07 11:21                                                               ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-07 11:21                                                               ` Pankaj Gupta

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