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From: Norbert Manthey <nmanthey@amazon.de>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	Dario Faggioli <dfaggioli@suse.com>,
	Martin Pohlack <mpohlack@amazon.de>,
	wipawel@amazon.de, Julien Grall <julien.grall@arm.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	"Martin Mazein(amazein)" <amazein@amazon.de>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Julian Stecklina <jsteckli@amazon.de>,
	Bjoern Doebel <doebel@amazon.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 8/9] common/grant_table: block speculative out-of-bound accesses
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 22:47:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1414ce6e-1eb0-395f-847c-fbba3b332d22@amazon.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5C6AD8610200007800217BD4@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 2/18/19 17:08, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 18.02.19 at 14:49, <nmanthey@amazon.de> wrote:
>> On 2/15/19 11:34, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 15.02.19 at 10:55, <nmanthey@amazon.de> wrote:
>>>> On 2/13/19 12:50, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 08.02.19 at 14:44, <nmanthey@amazon.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Guests can issue grant table operations and provide guest controlled
>>>>>> data to them. This data is also used for memory loads. To avoid
>>>>>> speculative out-of-bound accesses, we use the array_index_nospec macro
>>>>>> where applicable. However, there are also memory accesses that cannot
>>>>>> be protected by a single array protection, or multiple accesses in a
>>>>>> row. To protect these, a nospec barrier is placed between the actual
>>>>>> range check and the access via the block_speculation macro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As different versions of grant tables use structures of different size,
>>>>>> and the status is encoded in an array for version 2, speculative
>>>>>> execution might touch zero-initialized structures of version 2 while
>>>>>> the table is actually using version 1.
>>>>> Why zero-initialized? Did I still not succeed demonstrating to you
>>>>> that speculation along a v2 path can actually overrun v1 arrays,
>>>>> not just access parts with may still be zero-initialized?
>>>> I believe a speculative v2 access can touch data that has been written
>>>> by valid v1 accesses before, zero initialized data, or touch the NULL
>>>> page. Given the macros for the access I do not believe that a v2 access
>>>> can touch a page that is located behind a page holding valid v1 data.
>>> I've given examples before of how I see this to be possible. Would
>>> you mind going back to one of the instances, and explaining to me
>>> how you do _not_ see any room for an overrun there? Having
>>> given examples, I simply don't know how else I can explain this to
>>> you without knowing at what specific part of the explanation we
>>> diverge. (And no, I'm not excluding that I'm making up an issue
>>> where there is none.)
>> What we want to real out is that the actually use version1, while
>> speculation might use version2, right? I hope you refer to this example
>> of your earlier email.
>>
>> On 1/29/19 16:11, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> Let's look at an example: gref 256 points into the middle of
>>> the first page when using v1 calculations, but at the start
>>> of the second page when using v2 calculations. Hence, if the
>>> maximum number of grant frames was 1, we'd overrun the
>>> array, consisting of just a single element (256 is valid as a
>>> v1 gref in that case, but just out of bounds as a v2 one).
>> From how I read your example and my explanation, the key difference is
>> in the size of the shared_raw array. In case gref 256 is a valid v1
>> handle, then the shared_raw array has space for at least 256 entries, as
>> shared_raw was allocated for the number of requested entries. The access
>> to shared_raw is controlled with the macro shared_entry_v2:
>>  222 #define SHGNT_PER_PAGE_V2 (PAGE_SIZE / sizeof(grant_entry_v2_t))
>>  223 #define shared_entry_v2(t, e) \
>>  224     ((t)->shared_v2[(e)/SHGNT_PER_PAGE_V2][(e)%SHGNT_PER_PAGE_V2])
>> Since the direct access to the shared_v2 array depends on the
>> SHGNT_PER_PAGE_V2 value, this has to be less than the size of that
>> array. Hence, shared_raw will not be overrun (neither for version 1 nor
>> version 2). However, this division might result in accessing an element
>> of shared_raw that has not been initialized by version1 before. However,
>> right after allocation, shared_raw is zero initialized. Hence, this
>> might result in an access of the NULL page.
> The question is: How much of shared_raw[] will be zero-initialized?
> The example I've given uses relatively small grant reference values,
> so for the purpose here let's assume gt->max_grant_frames is 1.
> In this case shared_raw[] is exactly one entry in size. Hence the
> speculative access you describe will not necessarily access the NULL
> page.
>
> Obviously the same issue exists with higher limits and higher grant
> reference numbers.
The solution to this problem is really simple, I mixed up grant frames
and grant entries. I agree that shared_raw can be accessed out-of-bounds
and should be protected. I will adapt the commit message accordingly,
and revise the modifications I added to the code base.
>
>>>>>> @@ -1321,7 +1327,8 @@ unmap_common(
>>>>>>          goto unlock_out;
>>>>>>      }
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> -    act = active_entry_acquire(rgt, op->ref);
>>>>>> +    act = active_entry_acquire(rgt, array_index_nospec(op->ref,
>>>>>> +                                                       
>>>> nr_grant_entries(rgt)));
>>>>> ... you add a use e.g. here to _guard_ against speculation.
>>>> The adjustment you propose is to exchange the switch statement in
>>>> nr_grant_entries with a if( evaluate_nospec( gt->gt_version == 1 ), so
>>>> that the returned values are not speculated?
>>> At this point I'm not proposing a particular solution. I'm just
>>> putting on the table an issue left un-addressed. I certainly
>>> wouldn't welcome converting the switch() to an if(), even if
>>> right now there's no v3 on the horizon. (It's actually quite
>>> the inverse: If someone came and submitted a patch to change
>>> the various if()-s on gt_version to switch()-es, I'd welcome this.)
>> I am happy to add block_speculation() macros into each case of the
>> switch statement.
> Ugly, but perhaps the only possible solution at this point.
>
>>>> Do you want me to
>>>> cache the value in functions that call this method regularly to avoid
>>>> the penalty of the introduced lfence for each call?
>>> That would go back to the question of what good it does to
>>> latch value into a local variable when you don't know whether
>>> the compiler will put that variable in a register or in memory.
>>> IOW I'm afraid that to be on the safe side there's no way
>>> around the repeated LFENCEs.
>> The difference here would be that in case the value is stored into a
>> local variable (independently of memory or register) and an lfence was
>> executed, this value can be trusted and does not have to be checked
>> again, as it's no longer guest controlled.
> Ah, yes, you're right (it just wasn't clear to me that you implied
> adding a fence together with the caching of the value). So perhaps
> that's then also the way to go for the hunks under discussion in
> patch 3?

Well, yes. That should effectively bound the a.index values in the other
hunks in patch 3 as well. I will adapt that patch accordingly. Until
now, I stepped back from this solution, as I want to avoid using the
lfence instruction as much as possible.

Best,
Norbert





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Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-23 11:51 SpectreV1+L1TF Patch Series Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 11:51 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 01/11] is_control_domain: block speculation Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 13:07   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 13:20     ` Julien Grall
2019-01-23 13:40       ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 13:20   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-24 12:07     ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-24 20:33       ` Andrew Cooper
2019-01-25  9:19         ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 11:51 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 02/11] is_hvm/pv_domain: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 11:51 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 03/11] config: introduce L1TF_LFENCE option Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 13:18   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-24 12:11     ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 13:24   ` Julien Grall
2019-01-23 13:39     ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 13:44       ` Julien Grall
2019-01-23 14:45         ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-24 12:21           ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-24 21:29   ` Andrew Cooper
2019-01-25 10:14     ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-25 10:50       ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-25 13:09         ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-27 20:28           ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-28  7:35             ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-28  7:56               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-28  8:24                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-28 10:07                   ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-31 22:39       ` Andrew Cooper
2019-02-01  8:02         ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 11:51 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 04/11] x86/hvm: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Norbert Manthey
2019-01-31 19:31   ` Andrew Cooper
2019-02-01  9:06     ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 11:51 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 05/11] common/grant_table: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 13:37   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-28 14:45     ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-28 15:09       ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-29  8:33         ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29  9:46           ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-29 13:47             ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 15:11               ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-30  8:06                 ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-30 11:35                   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 11:51 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 06/11] common/memory: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 11:57 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 07/11] nospec: enable lfence on Intel Norbert Manthey
2019-01-24 22:29   ` Andrew Cooper
2019-01-27 20:09     ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 11:57 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 08/11] xen/evtchn: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Norbert Manthey
2019-01-24 16:56   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-24 19:50     ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-25  9:23       ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 11:57 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 09/11] x86/vioapic: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-25 16:34   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-28 11:03     ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-28 11:12       ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-28 12:20         ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-23 11:57 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 10/11] x86/hvm/hpet: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-25 16:50   ` Jan Beulich
2019-01-23 11:57 ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v4 11/11] x86/CPUID: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-24 21:05 ` SpectreV1+L1TF Patch Series Andrew Cooper
2019-01-28 13:56   ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-28  8:28 ` Jan Beulich
     [not found] ` <5C4EBD1A0200007800211954@suse.com>
2019-01-28  8:47   ` Juergen Gross
2019-01-28  9:56     ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]       ` <9C03B9BA0200004637554D14@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
     [not found]         ` <00FAA7AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
     [not found]           ` <00FAE7AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-01-31 15:05             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 1/9] xen/evtchn: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Jan Beulich
2019-02-01 13:45               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-01 14:08                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-05 13:42                   ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]           ` <00FA27AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-01-31 16:05             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 2/9] x86/vioapic: " Jan Beulich
2019-02-01 13:54               ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]           ` <00F867AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-01-31 16:19             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 3/9] x86/hvm: " Jan Beulich
2019-01-31 20:02               ` Andrew Cooper
2019-02-01  8:23                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-01 14:06                   ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-01 14:31                     ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-01 14:05               ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]           ` <0101A7AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-01-31 16:35             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 4/9] spec: add l1tf-barrier Jan Beulich
2019-02-05 14:23               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-05 14:43                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-06 13:02                   ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-06 13:20                     ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]           ` <0101E7AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-01-31 17:05             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 5/9] nospec: introduce evaluate_nospec Jan Beulich
2019-02-05 14:32               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                 ` SpectreV1+L1TF Patch Series v6 Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 1/9] xen/evtchn: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 2/9] x86/vioapic: " Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 3/9] x86/hvm: " Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 4/9] spec: add l1tf-barrier Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 5/9] nospec: introduce evaluate_nospec Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 6/9] is_control_domain: block speculation Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 7/9] is_hvm/pv_domain: " Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 8/9] common/grant_table: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 13:44                   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 9/9] common/memory: " Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08 14:32                   ` SpectreV1+L1TF Patch Series v6 Julien Grall
     [not found]               ` <A18FF6C80200006BB1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
     [not found]                 ` <01CCAAAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
     [not found]                   ` <01CCEAAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-12 13:08                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 1/9] xen/evtchn: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Jan Beulich
2019-02-14 13:10                       ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-14 13:20                         ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                   ` <01CC2AAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-12 13:16                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 2/9] x86/vioapic: " Jan Beulich
2019-02-14 13:16                       ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]                   ` <01CE6AAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-12 13:25                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 3/9] x86/hvm: " Jan Beulich
2019-02-12 14:05                       ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-12 14:14                         ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-15  8:05                           ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-15  8:55                             ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-15 10:50                               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-15 11:46                                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-18 14:47                                   ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-18 15:56                                     ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                   ` <01CFAAAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-12 13:44                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 4/9] spec: add l1tf-barrier Jan Beulich
2019-02-15  9:13                       ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]                   ` <01CFEAAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-12 13:50                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 5/9] nospec: introduce evaluate_nospec Jan Beulich
2019-02-14 13:37                       ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-12 14:12                     ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-14 13:42                       ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]                   ` <01CF2AAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-12 14:11                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 6/9] is_control_domain: block speculation Jan Beulich
2019-02-14 13:45                       ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]                   ` <23D9419E02000017B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-12 14:31                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 9/9] common/memory: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Jan Beulich
2019-02-14 14:04                       ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]                   ` <01CEAAAF02000039B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-13 11:50                     ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v6 8/9] common/grant_table: " Jan Beulich
2019-02-15  9:55                       ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-15 10:34                         ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-18 13:49                           ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-18 16:08                             ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-19 21:47                               ` Norbert Manthey [this message]
     [not found]           ` <0104A7AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-06 14:52             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 " Jan Beulich
2019-02-06 15:06               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-06 15:53                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-07  9:50                   ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-07 10:20                     ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-07 14:00                       ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-07 16:20                         ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]           ` <010527AF020000F8B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-06 15:03             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 6/9] is_control_domain: block speculation Jan Beulich
2019-02-06 15:36               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-06 16:01                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-07 10:02                   ` Norbert Manthey
     [not found]           ` <20F3469E02000096B1E090C7@prv1-mh.provo.novell.com>
2019-02-06 15:25             ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 9/9] common/memory: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Jan Beulich
2019-02-06 15:39               ` Norbert Manthey
2019-02-06 16:08                 ` Jan Beulich
2019-02-07  7:20                   ` Norbert Manthey
2019-01-28 10:01 SpectreV1+L1TF Patch Series Juergen Gross
2019-01-29 14:43 ` SpectreV1+L1TF Patch Series v5 Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 1/9] xen/evtchn: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 2/9] x86/vioapic: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 3/9] x86/hvm: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 4/9] spec: add l1tf-barrier Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 5/9] nospec: introduce evaluate_nospec Norbert Manthey
2019-02-08  9:20     ` Julien Grall
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 6/9] is_control_domain: block speculation Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 7/9] is_hvm/pv_domain: " Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 8/9] common/grant_table: block speculative out-of-bound accesses Norbert Manthey
2019-01-29 14:43   ` [PATCH SpectreV1+L1TF v5 9/9] common/memory: " Norbert Manthey

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