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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>, Oliver <oohall@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@redhat.com>,
	"open list:LINUX FOR POWERPC (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: RFC on writel and writel_relaxed
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 22:23:21 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1522149801.7364.49.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a0gCYjw78snni_1Jkk5uA5a-j0x-XZDrN=RaZfXctOSoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 11:44 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > The interesting thing is that we do seem to have a whole LOT of these
> > spurrious wmb before writel all over the tree, I suspect because of
> > that incorrect recommendation in memory-barriers.txt.
> > 
> > We should fix that.
> 
> Maybe the problem is just that it's so counter-intuitive that we don't
> need that barrier in Linux, when the hardware does need one on some
> architectures.
> 
> How about we define a barrier type instruction specifically for this
> purpose, something like wmb_before_mmio() and have all architectures
> define that to an empty macro?

This is exactly what wmb() is about and exactly what Linux rejected
back in the day (and in hindsight I agree with him).

> That way, having correct code using wmb_before_mmio() will not
> trigger an incorrect review comment that leads to extra wmb(). ;-)

Ah, you mean have an empty macro that will always be empty on all
architectures just to fool people ? :-)

Not sure that will fly ... I think we just need to be documenting that
stuff better and not have incorrect examples. Also a sweep to remove
some useless ones like the one in e1000e would help.

Cheers,
Ben.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>, Oliver <oohall@gmail.com>,
	"open list:LINUX FOR POWERPC (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: RFC on writel and writel_relaxed
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 22:23:21 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1522149801.7364.49.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a0gCYjw78snni_1Jkk5uA5a-j0x-XZDrN=RaZfXctOSoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 11:44 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > The interesting thing is that we do seem to have a whole LOT of these
> > spurrious wmb before writel all over the tree, I suspect because of
> > that incorrect recommendation in memory-barriers.txt.
> > 
> > We should fix that.
> 
> Maybe the problem is just that it's so counter-intuitive that we don't
> need that barrier in Linux, when the hardware does need one on some
> architectures.
> 
> How about we define a barrier type instruction specifically for this
> purpose, something like wmb_before_mmio() and have all architectures
> define that to an empty macro?

This is exactly what wmb() is about and exactly what Linux rejected
back in the day (and in hindsight I agree with him).

> That way, having correct code using wmb_before_mmio() will not
> trigger an incorrect review comment that leads to extra wmb(). ;-)

Ah, you mean have an empty macro that will always be empty on all
architectures just to fool people ? :-)

Not sure that will fly ... I think we just need to be documenting that
stuff better and not have incorrect examples. Also a sweep to remove
some useless ones like the one in e1000e would help.

Cheers,
Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-27 11:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-21  3:07 RFC on writel and writel_relaxed Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21  3:40 ` Oliver
2018-03-21  3:40   ` Oliver
2018-03-21 13:53   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 13:53     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 13:58     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 13:58       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 13:43       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 13:43         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 16:00         ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 16:00           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 14:35     ` David Laight
2018-03-21 14:35       ` David Laight
2018-03-21 15:04       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-22  5:24       ` Oliver
2018-03-22  8:20         ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22  8:20           ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22  9:25           ` Oliver
2018-03-22  9:25             ` Oliver
2018-03-22 11:25             ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22 11:25               ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22 10:37         ` David Laight
2018-03-22 10:37           ` David Laight
2018-03-22  4:24     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22  4:24       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 10:15       ` Oliver
2018-03-22 10:15         ` Oliver
2018-03-22 13:52         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 13:52           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 17:51           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-22 17:51             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23  0:16             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-23  0:16               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-23 13:42               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23 13:42                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-24  1:22                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-24  1:22                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-24 15:06                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-24 15:06                     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 11:44               ` Will Deacon
2018-03-26 11:44                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-26 12:11                 ` okaya
2018-03-26 12:11                   ` okaya
2018-03-26 12:42                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 12:42                     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23 16:35           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-23 16:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-24  1:23             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-24  1:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 11:08               ` David Laight
2018-03-26 11:08                 ` David Laight
2018-03-26 16:54                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 16:54                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 19:44                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 19:44                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 20:25                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 20:25                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 20:43                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 20:43                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:09                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 21:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 21:30                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:30                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:46                             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 21:46                               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:01                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:01                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:08                                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:08                                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:28                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:28                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:27                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:27                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:36                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:42                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:42                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:50                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:50                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 23:59                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 23:59                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  1:39                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27  1:39                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27  7:56                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27  7:56                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27  8:56                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  8:56                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  9:44                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27  9:44                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:00                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:00                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:23                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2018-03-27 11:23                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 12:22                                           ` okaya
2018-03-27 12:22                                             ` okaya
2018-03-27 14:12                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:12                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 21:27                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:27                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  9:57                                       ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27  9:57                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:05                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:05                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:09                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:09                                             ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:53                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:53                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:02                                               ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:02                                                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:05                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:05                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:25                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:25                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 13:20                                                 ` David Laight
2018-03-27 13:20                                                   ` David Laight
2018-03-27 13:46                                                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 13:46                                                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 14:36                                                   ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 14:36                                                     ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 21:29                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:29                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  8:53                                                       ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  8:53                                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:00                                                         ` David Laight
2018-03-28  9:00                                                           ` David Laight
2018-03-28  9:09                                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:09                                                             ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:56                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:56                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:50                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:50                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:55                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28  9:55                                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28 10:01                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:01                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:13                                                               ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28 10:13                                                                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28 16:57                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 16:57                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29  9:19                                                                   ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29  9:19                                                                     ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29 14:45                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 14:45                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 14:58                                                                       ` David Laight
2018-03-29 14:58                                                                         ` David Laight
2018-03-29 16:40                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 16:40                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 21:24                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:24                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:21                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:21                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  9:42                                     ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27  9:42                                       ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:20                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:20                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:24                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:24                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 14:24                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:24                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:16                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:00                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:00                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 14:46                               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 15:01                                 ` Jose Abreu
2018-03-27 15:10                                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 18:54                                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-27 19:54                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 19:54                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 20:46                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 20:46                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 21:33                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  0:39                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  1:03                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  2:51                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  3:24                                             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-28  4:41                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  6:14                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28 11:41                                                 ` okaya
2018-03-28 15:13                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 15:55                                                     ` David Miller
2018-03-28 16:23                                                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-03-28 21:31                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 22:09                                                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-03-29  9:20                                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29 13:56                                                       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-29 14:04                                                         ` David Miller
2018-03-29 16:29                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-29 16:59                                                           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-30  1:40                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-04-02 13:01                                                           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-28  4:33                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  6:26                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:42                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  6:53                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:53                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:53                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:56                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  7:11                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28  7:42                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:07                                                   ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:56                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:13                                                       ` Aw: " Lino Sanfilippo
2018-03-28 10:20                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 11:30                                                       ` David Laight
2018-03-28 11:30                                                         ` David Laight
2018-03-28 15:12                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 16:16                                                           ` David Laight
2018-03-28 16:16                                                             ` David Laight
2018-03-28  1:21                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:35                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 21:26                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 21:26                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:54 Alexander Duyck
2018-03-27 22:35 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 23:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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