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From: Gabriel Paubert <paubert@iram.es>
To: Oliver <oohall@gmail.com>
Cc: Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	"open list:LINUX FOR POWERPC (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: RFC on writel and writel_relaxed
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:20:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180322082041.hvaneyfpzdwelely@lt-gp.iram.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOSf1CHTouXQ+sPxu7ySCtw--maef+knFC9bCQ7rpuk-hf-puQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 04:24:24PM +1100, Oliver wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:35 AM, David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
> >> x86 has compiler barrier inside the relaxed() API so that code does not
> >> get reordered. ARM64 architecturally guarantees device writes to be observed
> >> in order.
> >
> > There are places where you don't even need a compile barrier between
> > every write.
> >
> > I had horrid problems getting some ppc code (for a specific embedded SoC)
> > optimised to have no extra barriers.
> > I ended up just writing through 'pointer to volatile' and adding an
> > explicit 'eieio' between the block of writes and status read.
> 
> This is what you are supposed to do. For accesses to MMIO (cache
> inhibited + guarded) storage the Power ISA guarantees that load-load
> and store-store pairs of accesses will always occur in program order,
> but there's no implicit ordering between load-store or store-load

And even for load store, eieio is not always necessary, in the important
case of reading and writing to the same address, when modifying bits in
a control register for example.

Typically also loads will be moved ahead of stores, but not the other
way around, so in practice you won't notice a missed eieio in this case.
This does not mean you should not insert it.

> pairs. In those cases you need an explicit eieio barrier between the
> two accesses. At the HW level you can think of the CPU as having
> separate queues for MMIO loads and stores. Accesses will be added to
> the respective queue in program order, but there's no synchronisation
> between the two queues. If the CPU is doing write combining it's easy
> to imagine the whole store queue being emptied in one big gulp before
> the load queue is even touched.

Is write combining allowed on guarded storage? 

<Looking at docs>
>From PowerISA_V3.0.pdf, Book2, section 1.6.2 "Caching inhibited":

"No combining occurs if the storage is also Guarded"

	Gabriel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gabriel Paubert <paubert@iram.es>
To: Oliver <oohall@gmail.com>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:LINUX FOR POWERPC (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: RFC on writel and writel_relaxed
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:20:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180322082041.hvaneyfpzdwelely@lt-gp.iram.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOSf1CHTouXQ+sPxu7ySCtw--maef+knFC9bCQ7rpuk-hf-puQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 04:24:24PM +1100, Oliver wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 1:35 AM, David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
> >> x86 has compiler barrier inside the relaxed() API so that code does not
> >> get reordered. ARM64 architecturally guarantees device writes to be observed
> >> in order.
> >
> > There are places where you don't even need a compile barrier between
> > every write.
> >
> > I had horrid problems getting some ppc code (for a specific embedded SoC)
> > optimised to have no extra barriers.
> > I ended up just writing through 'pointer to volatile' and adding an
> > explicit 'eieio' between the block of writes and status read.
> 
> This is what you are supposed to do. For accesses to MMIO (cache
> inhibited + guarded) storage the Power ISA guarantees that load-load
> and store-store pairs of accesses will always occur in program order,
> but there's no implicit ordering between load-store or store-load

And even for load store, eieio is not always necessary, in the important
case of reading and writing to the same address, when modifying bits in
a control register for example.

Typically also loads will be moved ahead of stores, but not the other
way around, so in practice you won't notice a missed eieio in this case.
This does not mean you should not insert it.

> pairs. In those cases you need an explicit eieio barrier between the
> two accesses. At the HW level you can think of the CPU as having
> separate queues for MMIO loads and stores. Accesses will be added to
> the respective queue in program order, but there's no synchronisation
> between the two queues. If the CPU is doing write combining it's easy
> to imagine the whole store queue being emptied in one big gulp before
> the load queue is even touched.

Is write combining allowed on guarded storage? 

<Looking at docs>
>From PowerISA_V3.0.pdf, Book2, section 1.6.2 "Caching inhibited":

"No combining occurs if the storage is also Guarded"

	Gabriel

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-22  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-21  3:07 RFC on writel and writel_relaxed Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21  3:40 ` Oliver
2018-03-21  3:40   ` Oliver
2018-03-21 13:53   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 13:53     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 13:58     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 13:58       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 13:43       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 13:43         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 16:00         ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 16:00           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 14:35     ` David Laight
2018-03-21 14:35       ` David Laight
2018-03-21 15:04       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-22  5:24       ` Oliver
2018-03-22  8:20         ` Gabriel Paubert [this message]
2018-03-22  8:20           ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22  9:25           ` Oliver
2018-03-22  9:25             ` Oliver
2018-03-22 11:25             ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22 11:25               ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22 10:37         ` David Laight
2018-03-22 10:37           ` David Laight
2018-03-22  4:24     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22  4:24       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 10:15       ` Oliver
2018-03-22 10:15         ` Oliver
2018-03-22 13:52         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 13:52           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 17:51           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-22 17:51             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23  0:16             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-23  0:16               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-23 13:42               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23 13:42                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-24  1:22                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-24  1:22                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-24 15:06                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-24 15:06                     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 11:44               ` Will Deacon
2018-03-26 11:44                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-26 12:11                 ` okaya
2018-03-26 12:11                   ` okaya
2018-03-26 12:42                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 12:42                     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23 16:35           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-23 16:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-24  1:23             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-24  1:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 11:08               ` David Laight
2018-03-26 11:08                 ` David Laight
2018-03-26 16:54                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 16:54                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 19:44                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 19:44                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 20:25                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 20:25                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 20:43                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 20:43                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:09                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 21:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 21:30                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:30                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:46                             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 21:46                               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:01                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:01                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:08                                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:08                                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:28                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:28                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:27                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:27                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:36                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:42                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:42                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:50                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:50                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 23:59                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 23:59                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  1:39                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27  1:39                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27  7:56                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27  7:56                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27  8:56                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  8:56                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  9:44                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27  9:44                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:00                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:00                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:23                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:23                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 12:22                                           ` okaya
2018-03-27 12:22                                             ` okaya
2018-03-27 14:12                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:12                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 21:27                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:27                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  9:57                                       ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27  9:57                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:05                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:05                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:09                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:09                                             ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:53                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:53                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:02                                               ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:02                                                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:05                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:05                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:25                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:25                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 13:20                                                 ` David Laight
2018-03-27 13:20                                                   ` David Laight
2018-03-27 13:46                                                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 13:46                                                   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 14:36                                                   ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 14:36                                                     ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 21:29                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:29                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  8:53                                                       ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  8:53                                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:00                                                         ` David Laight
2018-03-28  9:00                                                           ` David Laight
2018-03-28  9:09                                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:09                                                             ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:56                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:56                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:50                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:50                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:55                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28  9:55                                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28 10:01                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:01                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:13                                                               ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28 10:13                                                                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28 16:57                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 16:57                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29  9:19                                                                   ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29  9:19                                                                     ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29 14:45                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 14:45                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 14:58                                                                       ` David Laight
2018-03-29 14:58                                                                         ` David Laight
2018-03-29 16:40                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 16:40                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 21:24                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:24                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:21                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:21                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27  9:42                                     ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27  9:42                                       ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:20                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:20                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:24                                         ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:24                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 14:24                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:24                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:16                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:00                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:00                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 14:46                               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 15:01                                 ` Jose Abreu
2018-03-27 15:10                                 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 18:54                                   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-27 19:54                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 19:54                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 20:46                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 20:46                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 21:33                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  0:39                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  1:03                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  2:51                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  3:24                                             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-28  4:41                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  6:14                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28 11:41                                                 ` okaya
2018-03-28 15:13                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 15:55                                                     ` David Miller
2018-03-28 16:23                                                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-03-28 21:31                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 22:09                                                           ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-03-29  9:20                                                           ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29 13:56                                                       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-29 14:04                                                         ` David Miller
2018-03-29 16:29                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-29 16:59                                                           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-30  1:40                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-04-02 13:01                                                           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-28  4:33                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  6:26                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:42                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  6:53                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:53                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:53                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28  6:56                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  7:11                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28  7:42                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28  9:07                                                   ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28  9:56                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:13                                                       ` Aw: " Lino Sanfilippo
2018-03-28 10:20                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 11:30                                                       ` David Laight
2018-03-28 11:30                                                         ` David Laight
2018-03-28 15:12                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 16:16                                                           ` David Laight
2018-03-28 16:16                                                             ` David Laight
2018-03-28  1:21                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:35                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 21:26                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 21:26                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:54 Alexander Duyck
2018-03-27 22:35 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 23:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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