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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: media-submaintainers@linuxtv.org,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Pull network and Patch Acceptance Consistency
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:23:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1560525785.27102.16.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190614121137.02b8a6dc@coco.lan>

On Fri, 2019-06-14 at 12:11 -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
[...]
> If you think this is relevant to a broader audience, let me reply
> with a long answer about that. I prepared it and intended to reply to
> our internal media maintainer's ML (added as c/c). 
> 
> Yet, I still think that this is media maintainer's dirty laundry
> and should be discussed elsewhere ;-)
> 
> ---

So trying not to get into huge email thread, I think this is the key
point:

[...]
> Currently, I review all accepted patches.

This means you effectively have a fully flat tree.  Even if you use
git, you're using it like an email transmission path.  One of the
points I was making about deepening the tree is that the maintainer in
the middle should trust the submaintainer they pull from, so there
should be no need to review all the patches because of that trust. 
This is how deepening the tree helps to offload maintainers because
review is one of the biggest burdens we have and deepening the tree is
a way to share it.  Without trust, we achieve no offloading and
therefore no utility from deepening the tree.

So, to get back to the original question, which was *should* we deepen
the tree: why don't you feel you can let branches with patches you
haven't reviewed into your tree?  I've characterised it as a trust
issue above, but perhaps it isn't. I think this is a key question which
would help us understand whether a deeper tree model is at all
possible.

James

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-14 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06 15:48 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Pull network and Patch Acceptance Consistency James Bottomley
2019-06-06 15:58 ` Greg KH
2019-06-06 16:24   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 13:59     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 10:12       ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 13:24         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 13:31           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 13:54             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 14:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 14:56             ` Mark Brown
2019-06-14 13:58           ` Greg KH
2019-06-14 15:11             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 15:23               ` James Bottomley [this message]
2019-06-14 15:43                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 15:49                   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 16:04                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 16:16                       ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 17:48                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17  7:01                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-17 13:31                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 14:26                               ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-19  7:53                               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-19  8:13                                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [kbuild] " Philip Li
2019-06-19  8:33                                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Daniel Vetter
2019-06-19 14:39                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-19 14:48                                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [media-submaintainers] " Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-19 15:19                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-19 15:46                                       ` James Bottomley
2019-06-19 16:23                                         ` Mark Brown
2019-06-20 12:24                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-20 10:36                                         ` Jani Nikula
2019-06-19 15:56                                       ` Mark Brown
2019-06-19 16:09                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-15 10:55                         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Daniel Vetter
2019-06-14 20:52               ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-06-15 11:01               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-17 11:03                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 12:28                   ` Mark Brown
2019-06-17 16:48                     ` Tim.Bird
2019-06-17 17:23                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-17 23:13                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 14:18                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-06 16:29   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-06 18:26     ` Dan Williams
2019-06-07 20:14       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 13:49         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 14:35           ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:03             ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 15:21               ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-13 15:27                 ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:35                 ` Guenter Roeck
2019-06-13 15:39                   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-14 11:53                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-14 17:06                       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-15  7:20                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-13 15:39                   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:42                   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-13 19:28               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14  9:08               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-14  9:43               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-14 13:27               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-13 17:27             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 18:41               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 19:11                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 19:20                   ` Joe Perches
2019-06-14  2:21                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 19:57                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 14:53           ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 17:09             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14  3:03               ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-14  3:35                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14  7:31                 ` Joe Perches
2019-06-13 13:28       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-06 16:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-14 19:53 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-06-14 23:21   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-06-17 10:35     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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