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From: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>,
	ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Pull network and Patch Acceptance Consistency
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 08:21:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3418df99-ff2b-9a9f-7702-1e272d1cb783@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq18su51q92.fsf@oracle.com>

On 6/13/19 8:03 AM, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> 
> James,
> 
>> It depends: every patch you do to an old driver comes with a risk of
>> breakage.  What we've found is even apparently sane patches cause
>> breakage which isn't discovered until months later when someone with
>> the hardware actually tests.
> 
> My pet peeve is with the constant stream of seemingly innocuous
> helper-interface-of-the-week changes. Such as "Use kzfoobar() instead of
> kfoobar() + memset()". And then a year later somebody decides kzfoobar()
> had a subtle adverse side-effect and now we all need to switch to
> kpzfoobar().
> 
> I appreciate that some of these helpers may have merit in terms of
> facilitating static code checkers, etc. But other than that, I really
> fail to see the value of this constant churn.
> 
> The devil is always in the details. It's almost inevitably these obvious
> five-liners that cause regressions down the line.
> 
> So why do we keep doing this?

How about discussing at the kernel summit whether or not patches that 
have not been tested on actual hardware should be ignored?

Thanks,

Bart.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-13 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-06 15:48 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Pull network and Patch Acceptance Consistency James Bottomley
2019-06-06 15:58 ` Greg KH
2019-06-06 16:24   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 13:59     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 10:12       ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 13:24         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 13:31           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 13:54             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 14:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-14 14:56             ` Mark Brown
2019-06-14 13:58           ` Greg KH
2019-06-14 15:11             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 15:23               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 15:43                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 15:49                   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 16:04                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14 16:16                       ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14 17:48                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17  7:01                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-17 13:31                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 14:26                               ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-19  7:53                               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-19  8:13                                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [kbuild] " Philip Li
2019-06-19  8:33                                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Daniel Vetter
2019-06-19 14:39                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-19 14:48                                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [media-submaintainers] " Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-19 15:19                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-19 15:46                                       ` James Bottomley
2019-06-19 16:23                                         ` Mark Brown
2019-06-20 12:24                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-20 10:36                                         ` Jani Nikula
2019-06-19 15:56                                       ` Mark Brown
2019-06-19 16:09                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-15 10:55                         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Daniel Vetter
2019-06-14 20:52               ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-06-15 11:01               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-17 11:03                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 12:28                   ` Mark Brown
2019-06-17 16:48                     ` Tim.Bird
2019-06-17 17:23                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-06-17 23:13                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-17 14:18                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-06-06 16:29   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-06 18:26     ` Dan Williams
2019-06-07 20:14       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 13:49         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 14:35           ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:03             ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 15:21               ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2019-06-13 15:27                 ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:35                 ` Guenter Roeck
2019-06-13 15:39                   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-14 11:53                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-14 17:06                       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-15  7:20                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-13 15:39                   ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 15:42                   ` Takashi Iwai
2019-06-13 19:28               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-14  9:08               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-14  9:43               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-14 13:27               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-06-13 17:27             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 18:41               ` James Bottomley
2019-06-13 19:11                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 19:20                   ` Joe Perches
2019-06-14  2:21                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-13 19:57                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 14:53           ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-13 17:09             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14  3:03               ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-06-14  3:35                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-14  7:31                 ` Joe Perches
2019-06-13 13:28       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-06-06 16:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-14 19:53 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-06-14 23:21   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-06-17 10:35     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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