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From: "NeilBrown" <neilb@suse.de>
To: "Roman Mamedov" <rm@romanrm.net>
Cc: "Goffredo Baroncelli" <kreijack@libero.it>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Josef Bacik" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	"Chuck Lever" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Chris Mason" <clm@fb.com>, "David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.com>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VFS/BTRFS/NFSD: provide more unique inode number for btrfs export
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 08:17:30 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <162906585094.1695.15815972140753474778@noble.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210816003505.7b3e9861@natsu>

On Mon, 16 Aug 2021, Roman Mamedov wrote:
> 
> I wondered a bit myself, what are the downsides of just doing the
> uniquefication inside Btrfs, not leaving that to NFSD?
> 
> I mean not even adding the extra stat field, just return the inode itself with
> that already applied. Surely cannot be any worse collision-wise, than
> different subvolumes straight up having the same inode numbers as right now?
> 
> Or is it a performance concern, always doing more work, for something which
> only NFSD has needed so far.

Any change in behaviour will have unexpected consequences.  I think the
btrfs maintainers perspective is they they don't want to change
behaviour if they don't have to (which is reasonable) and that currently
they don't have to (which probably means that users aren't complaining
loudly enough).

NFS export of BTRFS is already demonstrably broken and users are
complaining loudly enough that I can hear them ....  though I think it
has been broken like this for 10 years, do I wonder that I didn't hear
them before.

If something is perceived as broken, then a behaviour change that
appears to fix it is more easily accepted.

However, having said that I now see that my latest patch is not ideal.
It changes the inode numbers associated with filehandles of objects in
the non-root subvolume.  This will cause the Linux NFS client to treat
the object as 'stale' For most objects this is a transient annoyance.
Reopen the file or restart the process and all should be well again.
However if the inode number of the mount point changes, you will need to
unmount and remount.  That is more somewhat more of an annoyance.

There are a few ways to handle this more gracefully.

1/ We could get btrfs to hand out new filehandles as well as new inode
numbers, but still accept the old filehandles.  Then we could make the
inode number reported be based on the filehandle.  This would be nearly
seamless but rather clumsy to code.  I'm not *very* keen on this idea,
but it is worth keeping in mind.

2/ We could add a btrfs mount option to control whether the uniquifier
was set or not.  This would allow the sysadmin to choose when to manage
any breakage.  I think this is my preference, but Josef has declared an
aversion to mount options.

3/ We could add a module parameter to nfsd to control whether the
uniquifier is merged in.  This again gives the sysadmin control, and it
can be done despite any aversion from btrfs maintainers.  But I'd need
to overcome any aversion from the nfsd maintainers, and I don't know how
strong that would be yet. (A new export option isn't really appropriate.
It is much more work to add an export option than the add a mount option).

I don't know.... maybe I should try harder to like option 1, or at least
verify if it works as expected and see how ugly the code really is.

NeilBrown

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-15 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-27 22:37 [PATCH/RFC 00/11] expose btrfs subvols in mount table correctly NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 07/11] exportfs: Allow filehandle lookup to cross internal mount points NeilBrown
2021-07-28 10:13   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-07-29  0:28     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-29  5:27       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-06  7:52         ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-06  8:08           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-06  8:18             ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-07-28 19:17   ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-07-28 22:25     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 04/11] VFS: export lookup_mnt() NeilBrown
2021-07-30  0:31   ` Al Viro
2021-07-30  5:33     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 01/11] VFS: show correct dev num in mountinfo NeilBrown
2021-07-30  0:25   ` Al Viro
2021-07-30  5:28     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  5:54       ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-07-30  6:13         ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  7:18           ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-07-30  7:33             ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  7:59               ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-02  4:18                 ` A Third perspective on BTRFS nfsd subvol dev/inode number issues NeilBrown
2021-08-02  5:25                   ` Al Viro
2021-08-02  5:40                     ` NeilBrown
2021-08-02  7:54                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-02 13:53                         ` Josef Bacik
2021-08-03 22:29                           ` Qu Wenruo
2021-08-02 14:47                         ` Frank Filz
2021-08-02 21:24                         ` NeilBrown
2021-08-02  7:15                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2021-08-02 21:40                     ` NeilBrown
2021-08-02 12:39                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-02 20:32                     ` Patrick Goetz
2021-08-02 20:41                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-02 21:10                     ` NeilBrown
2021-08-02 21:50                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-02 21:59                         ` NeilBrown
2021-08-02 22:14                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-02 22:36                             ` NeilBrown
2021-08-03  0:15                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 03/11] VFS: pass lookup_flags into follow_down() NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 11/11] btrfs: use automount to bind-mount all subvol roots NeilBrown
2021-07-28  8:37   ` kernel test robot
2021-07-28  8:37     ` kernel test robot
2021-07-28  8:37   ` [RFC PATCH] btrfs: btrfs_mountpoint_expiry_timeout can be static kernel test robot
2021-07-28  8:37     ` kernel test robot
2021-07-28 13:12   ` [PATCH 11/11] btrfs: use automount to bind-mount all subvol roots Christian Brauner
2021-07-29  0:43     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-29 14:38       ` Christian Brauner
2021-07-31  6:25   ` [btrfs] 5874902268: xfstests.btrfs.202.fail kernel test robot
2021-07-31  6:25     ` kernel test robot
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 06/11] nfsd: include a vfsmount in struct svc_fh NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 10/11] btrfs: introduce mapping function from location to inum NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 02/11] VFS: allow d_automount to create in-place bind-mount NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 09/11] nfsd: Allow filehandle lookup to cross internal mount points NeilBrown
2021-07-28 19:15   ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-07-28 22:29     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  0:42   ` Al Viro
2021-07-30  5:43     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 08/11] nfsd: change get_parent_attributes() to nfsd_get_mounted_on() NeilBrown
2021-07-27 22:37 ` [PATCH 05/11] VFS: new function: mount_is_internal() NeilBrown
2021-07-28  2:16   ` Al Viro
2021-07-28  3:32     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  0:34       ` Al Viro
2021-07-28  2:19 ` [PATCH/RFC 00/11] expose btrfs subvols in mount table correctly Al Viro
2021-07-28  4:58 ` Wang Yugui
2021-07-28  6:04   ` Wang Yugui
2021-07-28  7:01     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-28 12:26       ` Neal Gompa
2021-07-28 19:14         ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-07-29  1:29           ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-07-29  1:43             ` NeilBrown
2021-07-29 23:20               ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-07-28 22:50         ` NeilBrown
2021-07-29  2:37           ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-07-29  3:36             ` NeilBrown
2021-07-29 23:20               ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-07-30  2:36                 ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  5:25                   ` Qu Wenruo
2021-07-30  5:31                     ` Qu Wenruo
2021-07-30  5:53                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-07-30  6:00                       ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  6:09                         ` Qu Wenruo
2021-07-30  5:58                     ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  6:23                       ` Qu Wenruo
2021-07-30  6:53                         ` NeilBrown
2021-07-30  7:09                           ` Qu Wenruo
2021-07-30 18:15                             ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-07-30 15:17                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-07-30 15:48                           ` Josef Bacik
2021-07-30 16:25                             ` Forza
2021-07-30 17:43                             ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-07-30  5:28                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-07-28 13:43       ` g.btrfs
2021-07-29  1:39         ` NeilBrown
2021-07-29  9:28           ` Graham Cobb
2021-07-28  7:06   ` NeilBrown
2021-07-28  9:36     ` Wang Yugui
2021-07-28 19:35 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-07-28 21:30   ` Josef Bacik
2021-07-30  0:13     ` Al Viro
2021-07-30  6:08       ` NeilBrown
2021-08-13  1:45 ` [PATCH] VFS/BTRFS/NFSD: provide more unique inode number for btrfs export NeilBrown
2021-08-13 14:55   ` Josef Bacik
2021-08-15  7:39   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2021-08-15 19:35     ` Roman Mamedov
2021-08-15 21:03       ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2021-08-15 21:53         ` NeilBrown
2021-08-17 19:34           ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2021-08-17 21:39             ` NeilBrown
2021-08-18 17:24               ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2021-08-15 22:17       ` NeilBrown [this message]
2021-08-19  8:01         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20  3:21           ` NeilBrown
2021-08-20  6:23             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-23  4:05         ` [PATCH v2] BTRFS/NFSD: " NeilBrown
2021-08-23  8:17           ` kernel test robot
2021-08-23  8:17             ` kernel test robot
2021-08-18 14:54   ` [PATCH] VFS/BTRFS/NFSD: " Wang Yugui
2021-08-18 21:46     ` NeilBrown
2021-08-19  2:19       ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-08-20  2:54         ` NeilBrown
2021-08-22 19:29           ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-08-23  5:51             ` NeilBrown
2021-08-23 23:22             ` NeilBrown
2021-08-25  2:06               ` Zygo Blaxell
2021-08-23  0:57         ` Wang Yugui

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