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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: Satyam Sharma <satyam@infradead.org>
Cc: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, wensong@linux-vs.org, horms@verge.net.au,
	wjiang@resilience.com, cfriesen@nortel.com, zlynx@acm.org,
	rpjday@mindspring.com, jesper.juhl@gmail.com,
	segher@kernel.crashing.org,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:22:44 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18115.35524.56393.347841@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0708151713080.16414@enigma.security.iitk.ac.in>

Satyam Sharma writes:

> > Doesn't "atomic WRT all processors" require volatility?
> 
> No, it definitely doesn't. Why should it?
> 
> "Atomic w.r.t. all processors" is just your normal, simple "atomicity"
> for SMP systems (ensure that that object is modified / set / replaced
> in main memory atomically) and has nothing to do with "volatile"
> behaviour.

Atomic variables are "volatile" in the sense that they are liable to
be changed at any time by mechanisms that are outside the knowledge of
the C compiler, namely, other CPUs, or this CPU executing an interrupt
routine.

In the kernel we use atomic variables in precisely those situations
where a variable is potentially accessed concurrently by multiple
CPUs, and where each CPU needs to see updates done by other CPUs in a
timely fashion.  That is what they are for.  Therefore the compiler
must not cache values of atomic variables in registers; each
atomic_read must result in a load and each atomic_set must result in a
store.  Anything else will just lead to subtle bugs.

I have no strong opinion about whether or not the best way to achieve
this is through the use of the "volatile" C keyword.  Segher's idea of
using asm instead seems like a good one to me.

Paul.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-15 23:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 333+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-09 13:14 [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-09 12:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-09 14:29   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 15:30     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-14 22:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 22:45   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14 22:51     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 23:08   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-14 23:04     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14 23:14       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15  6:49       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15  6:49         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15  8:18         ` Heiko Carstens
2007-08-15 13:53           ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 14:35             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 14:52               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 16:09                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 16:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 17:13                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 18:31                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 18:57                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:54                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 20:17                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:52                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 22:42                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:47                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  0:36                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:36                               ` (unknown) Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:32                               ` your mail Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:58                                 ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:51                                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  1:18                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  1:38                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 21:05                         ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 22:44                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:23                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:22                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:58               ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16  0:39           ` [PATCH] i386: Fix a couple busy loops in mach_wakecpu.h:wait_for_init_deassert() Satyam Sharma
2007-08-24 11:59             ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 12:07               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-24 12:12               ` Kenn Humborg
2007-08-24 12:12                 ` Kenn Humborg
2007-08-24 14:25                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:34                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-24 13:30               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-24 17:06                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-24 20:26                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 20:34                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-24 16:19               ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-24 16:19                 ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-15 16:13         ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-15 23:40           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 23:51             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:30               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:30                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16 19:33                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:26             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:23               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 19:32                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  2:19                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  3:16                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:32                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  3:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17 23:59                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18  0:09                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-18  1:08                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18  1:24                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-18  1:41                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  4:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 13:36                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18 21:54                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18 22:41                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 23:19                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-24 12:19                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:19                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 21:56                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-20 13:31                                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 22:04                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-20 22:48                                       ` Russell King
2007-08-20 23:02                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21  0:05                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-21  7:08                                             ` Russell King
2007-08-21  7:05                                           ` Russell King
2007-08-21  9:33                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-21 11:37                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21 14:48                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21 16:16                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-21 22:51                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-22  0:50                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-22 21:38                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-21 14:39                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  3:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17  5:18                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  5:56                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  7:26                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  8:47                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:15                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:12                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:14                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 13:05                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:48                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17 10:23                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:49                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:51                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 23:55                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  6:42                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-08-17  8:52                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-17 10:08                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:29                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 17:37                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-14 23:26     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 10:35     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 12:04       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 12:31       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 13:08         ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 13:11           ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 13:47           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 14:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 15:33               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 16:08                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 17:18                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 17:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 18:05                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 17:55               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 19:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 21:07                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 20:58                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 18:19               ` David Howells
2007-08-15 18:45                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 23:41                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 23:53                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:12                       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:23                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:30                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:49                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:53                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  1:14                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 18:31         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:40           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 20:42             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:23               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 23:22         ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2007-08-16  0:26           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:34             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  0:40               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:39             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:42               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:53                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:59                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  1:14                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:41                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:15                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  2:08                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:18                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  3:23                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  3:33                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  3:48                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  4:03                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  4:34                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  5:37                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  6:00                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 18:50                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 18:48                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 19:44                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:18                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-16  2:32                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:51                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  2:00                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:05                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  2:11                       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:35                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  3:15                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  3:43                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:15                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:17                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:33                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  3:01                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  4:11                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  5:39                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  6:56                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  7:09                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  8:06                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16  8:10                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  9:54                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 10:31                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 10:42                                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16 16:34                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16 23:59                                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  1:01                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  7:39                                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 14:31                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 18:31                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 18:56                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  3:15                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  4:02                                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  4:39                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  7:25                                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17  8:06                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  8:58                                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:15                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:03                                                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 11:50                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 12:50                                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:56                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 12:56                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-18  2:15                                                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 10:48                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17 10:58                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-18 14:35                                                     ` LDD3 pitfalls (was Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures) Stefan Richter
2007-08-20 13:28                                                       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17 22:14                                                 ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  5:04                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 10:35                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16 19:48                                       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17  0:02                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  2:04                                           ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17  2:13                                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  2:31                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  5:09                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  5:32                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  5:41                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  8:28                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 14:48                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-08-16 16:19                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 19:55                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-16 20:20                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-17  1:02                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  1:28                                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  5:07                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  2:16                                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:03                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17  3:43                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:53                                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  6:26                                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  8:38                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  9:14                                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:31                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:55                                                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:39                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 12:39                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 13:36                                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 16:48                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17 18:50                                                               ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-17 18:50                                                                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-17 18:54                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 19:49                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 19:49                                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 20:12                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 19:08                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-20 13:15                                                               ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 13:15                                                                 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 13:32                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-20 13:38                                                                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 22:07                                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21  5:46                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-21  7:04                                                                   ` David Miller
2007-08-21 13:50                                                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-21 14:59                                                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21 16:31                                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-21 16:43                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-09 18:02                                                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-09 18:18                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-09-10 10:56                                                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 11:15                                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-09-10 12:22                                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 12:22                                                                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 13:38                                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 13:38                                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 14:16                                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 14:16                                                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 15:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-10 16:46                                                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 19:59                                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 19:59                                                                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 18:59                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 23:19                                                                             ` [PATCH] Document non-semantics of atomic_read() and atomic_set() Chris Snook
2007-09-10 23:19                                                                               ` Chris Snook
2007-09-10 23:44                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-10 23:44                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-11 19:35                                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 19:35                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 14:51                                                                     ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Arjan van de Ven
2007-09-10 14:38                                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 17:02                                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 11:08                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17 22:09                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 22:09                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 17:41                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 18:38                                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 23:17                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:17                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:55                                               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  0:04                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  0:04                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  1:56                                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  2:15                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  2:15                                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  3:33                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  5:18                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  5:18                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18 13:20                                                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-09-10 18:59                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:54                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-10 21:36                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 21:50                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-11  2:27                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-09-11  2:27                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16 21:08                                       ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-16 21:08                                         ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-16 19:55                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-16 18:54                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 20:07                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  3:05                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 19:39                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:07                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-24 12:50           ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:15             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-24 20:21               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-16  3:37         ` Bill Fink
2007-08-16  5:20           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  5:57             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  9:25               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 21:00               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  4:32                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:38                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18 14:42                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 20:50             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16 22:40               ` David Schwartz
2007-08-17  4:36                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  4:24               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:34                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:59       ` Christoph Lameter

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