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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Satyam Sharma <satyam@infradead.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
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	segher@kernel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:54:54 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708161151270.17049@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18115.52863.638655.658466@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Paul Mackerras wrote:

> The uses of atomic_read where one might want it to allow caching of
> the result seem to me to fall into 3 categories:
> 
> 1. Places that are buggy because of a race arising from the way it's
>    used.
> 
> 2. Places where there is a race but it doesn't matter because we're
>    doing some clever trick.
> 
> 3. Places where there is some locking in place that eliminates any
>    potential race.
> 
> In case 1, adding volatile won't solve the race, of course, but it's
> hard to argue that we shouldn't do something because it will slow down
> buggy code.  Case 2 is hopefully pretty rare and accompanied by large
> comment blocks, and in those cases caching the result of atomic_read
> explicitly in a local variable would probably make the code clearer.
> And in case 3 there is no reason to use atomic_t at all; we might as
> well just use an int.

In 2 + 3 you may increment the atomic variable in some places. The value 
of the atomic variable may not matter because you only do optimizations.

Checking a atomic_t for a definite state has to involve either
some side conditions (lock only taken if refcount is <= 0 or so) or done 
by changing the state (see f.e. atomic_inc_unless_zero).

> So I don't see any good reason to make the atomic API more complex by
> having "volatile" and "non-volatile" versions of atomic_read.  It
> should just have the "volatile" behaviour.

If you want to make it less complex then drop volatile which causes weird 
side effects without solving any problems as you just pointed out.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-16 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 333+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-09 13:14 [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-09 12:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-09 14:29   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 15:30     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-14 22:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 22:45   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14 22:51     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 23:08   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-14 23:04     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14 23:14       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15  6:49       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15  6:49         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15  8:18         ` Heiko Carstens
2007-08-15 13:53           ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 14:35             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 14:52               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 16:09                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 16:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 17:13                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 18:31                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 18:57                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:54                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 20:17                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:52                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 22:42                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:47                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  0:36                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:36                               ` (unknown) Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:32                               ` your mail Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:58                                 ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:51                                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  1:18                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  1:38                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 21:05                         ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 22:44                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:23                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:22                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:58               ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16  0:39           ` [PATCH] i386: Fix a couple busy loops in mach_wakecpu.h:wait_for_init_deassert() Satyam Sharma
2007-08-24 11:59             ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 12:07               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-24 12:12               ` Kenn Humborg
2007-08-24 12:12                 ` Kenn Humborg
2007-08-24 14:25                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:34                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-24 13:30               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-24 17:06                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-24 20:26                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 20:34                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-24 16:19               ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-24 16:19                 ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-15 16:13         ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-15 23:40           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 23:51             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:30               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:30                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16 19:33                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:26             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:23               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 19:32                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  2:19                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  3:16                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:32                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  3:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17 23:59                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18  0:09                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-18  1:08                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18  1:24                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-18  1:41                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  4:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 13:36                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18 21:54                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18 22:41                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 23:19                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-24 12:19                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:19                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 21:56                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-20 13:31                                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 22:04                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-20 22:48                                       ` Russell King
2007-08-20 23:02                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21  0:05                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-21  7:08                                             ` Russell King
2007-08-21  7:05                                           ` Russell King
2007-08-21  9:33                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-21 11:37                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21 14:48                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21 16:16                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-21 22:51                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-22  0:50                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-22 21:38                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-21 14:39                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  3:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17  5:18                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  5:56                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  7:26                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  8:47                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:15                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:12                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:14                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 13:05                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:48                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17 10:23                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:49                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:51                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 23:55                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  6:42                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-08-17  8:52                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-17 10:08                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:29                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 17:37                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-14 23:26     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 10:35     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 12:04       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 12:31       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 13:08         ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 13:11           ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 13:47           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 14:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 15:33               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 16:08                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 17:18                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 17:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 18:05                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 17:55               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 19:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 21:07                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 20:58                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 18:19               ` David Howells
2007-08-15 18:45                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 23:41                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 23:53                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:12                       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:23                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:30                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:49                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:53                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  1:14                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 18:31         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:40           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 20:42             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:23               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 23:22         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  0:26           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:34             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  0:40               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:39             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:42               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:53                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:59                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  1:14                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:41                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:15                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  2:08                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:18                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  3:23                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  3:33                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  3:48                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  4:03                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  4:34                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  5:37                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  6:00                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 18:50                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 18:48                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 19:44                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:18                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-16  2:32                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:51                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  2:00                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:05                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  2:11                       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:35                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  3:15                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  3:43                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:15                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:17                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:33                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  3:01                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  4:11                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  5:39                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  6:56                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  7:09                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  8:06                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16  8:10                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  9:54                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 10:31                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 10:42                                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16 16:34                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16 23:59                                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  1:01                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  7:39                                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 14:31                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 18:31                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 18:56                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  3:15                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  4:02                                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  4:39                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  7:25                                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17  8:06                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  8:58                                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:15                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:03                                                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 11:50                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 12:50                                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:56                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 12:56                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-18  2:15                                                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 10:48                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17 10:58                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-18 14:35                                                     ` LDD3 pitfalls (was Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures) Stefan Richter
2007-08-20 13:28                                                       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17 22:14                                                 ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  5:04                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 10:35                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16 19:48                                       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17  0:02                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  2:04                                           ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17  2:13                                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  2:31                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  5:09                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  5:32                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  5:41                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  8:28                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 14:48                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-08-16 16:19                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 19:55                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-16 20:20                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-17  1:02                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  1:28                                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  5:07                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  2:16                                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:03                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17  3:43                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:53                                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  6:26                                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  8:38                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  9:14                                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:31                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:55                                                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:39                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 12:39                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 13:36                                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 16:48                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17 18:50                                                               ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-17 18:50                                                                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-17 18:54                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 19:49                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 19:49                                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 20:12                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 19:08                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-20 13:15                                                               ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 13:15                                                                 ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 13:32                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-20 13:38                                                                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 22:07                                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21  5:46                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-21  7:04                                                                   ` David Miller
2007-08-21 13:50                                                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-21 14:59                                                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21 16:31                                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-21 16:43                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-09 18:02                                                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-09 18:18                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-09-10 10:56                                                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 11:15                                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-09-10 12:22                                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 12:22                                                                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 13:38                                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 13:38                                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 14:16                                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 14:16                                                                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 15:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-10 16:46                                                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 19:59                                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 19:59                                                                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 18:59                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 23:19                                                                             ` [PATCH] Document non-semantics of atomic_read() and atomic_set() Chris Snook
2007-09-10 23:19                                                                               ` Chris Snook
2007-09-10 23:44                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-10 23:44                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-11 19:35                                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 19:35                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 14:51                                                                     ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Arjan van de Ven
2007-09-10 14:38                                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 17:02                                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 11:08                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17 22:09                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 22:09                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 17:41                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 18:38                                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 23:17                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:17                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:55                                               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  0:04                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  0:04                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  1:56                                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  2:15                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  2:15                                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  3:33                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  5:18                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  5:18                                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18 13:20                                                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-09-10 18:59                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:54                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-10 21:36                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 21:50                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-11  2:27                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-09-11  2:27                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16 21:08                                       ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-16 21:08                                         ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-16 19:55                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-16 18:54                             ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2007-08-16 20:07                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  3:05                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 19:39                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:07                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-24 12:50           ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:15             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-24 20:21               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-16  3:37         ` Bill Fink
2007-08-16  5:20           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  5:57             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  9:25               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 21:00               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  4:32                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:38                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18 14:42                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 20:50             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16 22:40               ` David Schwartz
2007-08-17  4:36                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  4:24               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:34                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:59       ` Christoph Lameter

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