From: Olaf Hering <olh@suse.de>
To: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk
Cc: Rob Love <rml@ximian.com>, Nathan Conrad <lk@bungled.net>,
Pascal Schmidt <der.eremit@email.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Subject: Re: udev and devfs - The final word
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:00:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040107130036.GA3186@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040107111832.GL4176@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>
On Wed, Jan 07, viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:15:59AM +0100, Olaf Hering wrote:
> > Now, thats just fine and it was always been that way.
> > What if I chroot into /foo, proc is mounted on /foo/proc,
> > and run fsck /dev/sda3 in that chroot?
> > That silly app looks for /etc/mtab (oh my...) and start the work.
> > Fine. Now, /dev/root is in reality /dev/sda3. Bad for me.
>
> Huh?
For short: noone knows that /dev/sda3 is busy/used.
> Note that you're not only adding ad-hackery (which filesystems get that
> major:minor printed and which do not?), you *STILL* hadn't solved your
> problem. Why? Because you still won't catch e.g. ext3 on /dev/sda5 with
> external journal on /dev/sda3. And if you hack parsing ext3 lines in
> /proc/mounts, there's always reiserfs, jfs, etc., etc. _And_ there's
> RAID with the same problems wrt. access to components. Real funny
> when you have raid0 on md0, have md0 mounted and try to fsck one of
> components.
That makes sense. Is there a sane way to inform userland apps that some
stuff is used (mounted, part of a volume group or raid)? Sure, the raid
or lvm specific tools will tell you...
> Scanning /etc/mtab or /proc/mounts in such situations is wrong. If fsck
> is doing that, it's broken. The right way to fix it depends on what you
> really want and whatever the hell it is, putting new and new fs-specific
> code that would parse /proc/mounts lines into fsck(8) is not an answer.
Ok, it was mkfs.minix and an older distro. But still, is '/dev/root' or
'/dev/fred' really correct?
--
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2003-12-31 3:05 ` udev and devfs - The final word Pascal Schmidt
2003-12-31 19:23 ` Greg KH
2003-12-31 20:19 ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 22:01 ` Nathan Conrad
2003-12-31 22:20 ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 21:45 ` Tommi Virtanen
2003-12-31 23:10 ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 21:52 ` Tommi Virtanen
2004-01-02 0:17 ` Hollis Blanchard
2004-01-02 0:36 ` viro
2004-01-03 6:04 ` Greg KH
2003-12-31 22:55 ` viro
2003-12-31 23:05 ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 23:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2004-01-07 10:15 ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 11:18 ` viro
2004-01-07 13:00 ` Olaf Hering [this message]
2004-01-07 13:26 ` viro
2004-01-07 13:27 ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-01 0:15 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-01 0:31 ` Rob Love
2004-01-01 12:34 ` Rob Landley
2004-01-01 15:22 ` Rob Love
2004-01-01 15:48 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-01 15:54 ` Rob Love
2004-01-02 20:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-03 3:00 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-03 4:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-03 13:10 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-03 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-03 23:08 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04 1:16 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-04 1:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-04 18:44 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-04 2:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-04 2:49 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04 3:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-04 4:36 ` Pentium 4 HT SMP Ananda Bhattacharya
2004-01-04 5:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-04 13:21 ` udev and devfs - The final word Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-04 22:01 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04 22:37 ` viro
2004-01-05 1:02 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05 2:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-05 2:29 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05 3:42 ` viro
2004-01-04 22:37 ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-04 23:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-05 1:43 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2004-01-05 1:47 ` st_dev:st_ino (was: Re: udev and devfs - The final word) Mark Mielke
2004-01-05 2:02 ` st_dev:st_ino Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2004-01-05 3:14 ` st_dev:st_ino viro
2004-01-05 1:58 ` udev and devfs - The final word viro
2004-01-05 2:12 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2004-01-05 2:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 3:06 ` David Lang
2004-01-05 3:48 ` Rob Landley
2004-01-05 4:52 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-01-05 7:03 ` [offtopic] " Rob Landley
2004-01-05 12:07 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-01-05 15:13 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05 16:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-01-05 22:18 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05 3:07 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-05 3:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 3:50 ` viro
2004-01-05 4:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 4:38 ` viro
2004-01-05 4:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 6:11 ` viro
2004-01-05 7:47 ` Greg KH
2004-01-05 11:15 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-05 20:11 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-01-05 21:06 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-05 22:22 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-01-06 0:14 ` Rob Landley
2004-01-06 17:28 ` [OT] " Disconnect
2004-01-11 22:12 ` Ed L Cashin
2004-01-05 5:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-01-05 7:39 ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 9:57 ` Pavel Machek
2004-01-05 12:27 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 17:29 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-05 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 17:52 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-01-05 18:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 18:09 ` Hugo Mills
2004-01-05 19:10 ` Paul Rolland
2004-01-05 19:52 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 22:17 ` Shawn
2004-01-05 22:25 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05 23:05 ` Shawn
2004-01-05 23:23 ` Shawn
2004-01-06 0:43 ` Greg KH
2004-01-06 0:53 ` Shawn
2004-01-05 23:13 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-06 0:59 ` viro
2004-01-06 1:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-06 4:28 ` viro
2004-01-06 5:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-06 1:06 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-06 15:00 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-06 0:00 ` Greg KH
2004-01-06 1:41 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-07 17:14 ` Greg KH
2004-01-06 0:31 ` Rob Landley
2004-01-06 7:14 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-06 0:36 ` Silly udev script [was Re: udev and devfs - The final word] Greg KH
2004-01-06 0:36 ` Greg KH
2004-01-06 4:02 ` Kay Sievers
2004-01-10 1:04 ` Greg KH
2004-01-05 7:44 ` udev and devfs - The final word James H. Cloos Jr.
2004-01-05 7:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-01-05 11:01 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-05 12:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-01-05 14:31 ` IRQ disabled on linux 2.6.1-rc1-mm1 Mainak Mandal _00007001_
2004-01-07 13:39 ` udev and devfs - The final word Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-07 17:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-01-05 9:06 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-05 4:15 ` Peter Chubb
2004-01-05 4:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-03 18:34 ` Wrapping jiffies [was Re: udev and devfs - The final word] Pavel Machek
2004-01-01 19:43 ` udev and devfs - The final word Kai Henningsen
2004-01-02 7:26 ` Rob Landley
2004-01-04 8:57 ` Greg KH
2004-01-04 9:43 ` Rob Landley
2004-01-02 0:17 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
[not found] ` <20040102103104.GA28168@mark.mielke.cc>
2004-01-03 6:07 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 6:51 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-03 11:57 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-03 22:08 ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 10:23 ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-01 23:14 ` Rob
2004-01-02 3:53 ` Tyler Hall
2004-01-01 16:17 ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-01-01 20:03 ` Greg KH
2004-01-08 13:53 "Andrey Borzenkov"
2004-01-08 15:40 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 17:26 ` Diego Calleja
2004-01-08 19:25 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-08 22:40 ` Alex Goddard
2004-01-09 7:03 ` "Andrey Borzenkov"
2004-01-08 18:14 ` Alex Goddard
2004-01-08 18:35 ` Alex Goddard
2004-01-08 19:22 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-09 8:51 ` Helge Hafting
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-08 13:05 "Andrey Borzenkov"
2004-01-06 1:20 Paul Zimmerman
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[not found] ` <fa.hv9hpq7.1l1q9p3@ifi.uio.no>
2004-01-01 19:53 ` walt
2004-01-01 21:53 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-01 16:59 Shaheed
[not found] <fa.af64864.ugabhg@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.de7jae9.1jk0pjt@ifi.uio.no>
2003-12-31 22:17 ` walt
2004-01-01 2:03 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-01 2:05 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-12-31 0:29 Greg KH
2003-12-31 0:29 ` Greg KH
2003-12-31 0:46 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2003-12-31 0:53 ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2003-12-31 0:53 ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2003-12-31 19:17 ` Greg KH
2003-12-31 19:17 ` Greg KH
2004-01-02 16:45 ` Shawn
2004-01-02 16:45 ` Shawn
2003-12-31 12:43 ` Paulo Marques
2004-01-01 1:18 ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-01 1:18 ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-03 5:59 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 5:59 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 15:22 ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-03 15:22 ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-03 21:18 ` viro
2004-01-03 21:18 ` viro
2004-01-03 22:11 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 22:11 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <20040103140140.3b848e9f.witukind@nsbm.kicks-ass.org>
2004-01-03 22:16 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 22:16 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 22:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-01-03 22:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-01-02 17:54 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2004-01-02 18:19 ` Shawn
2004-03-29 15:38 ` Shawn
2004-03-29 15:39 ` Greg KH
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Helge Hafting
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Greg KH
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Greg KH
2004-03-29 15:40 ` viro
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
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