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From: Andreas Jellinghaus <aj@dungeon.inka.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: udev and devfs - The final word
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:54:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2004.01.02.17.52.48.455285@dungeon.inka.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20031231002942.GB2875@kroah.com

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:32:58 +0000, Greg KH wrote:
> The Problems:
>  1) A static /dev is unwieldy and big.  It would be nice to only show
>     the /dev entries for the devices we actually have running in the
>     system.

last time i checked, devices for physical resources are only a part
of the devices in /dev. the other big part are those devices for
virtual resources, like virtual master/slave tty, network block devices,
loop devices, virtual consoles, etc.

neither devfs nor udev handle the virtual part. only devpts does, 
and only for one special class of virtual devices. and usb devices
are neither handled by devfs nor udev, but by usbfs.

Actually udev is a regression:
 - devfs was a first efford at a sane /dev naming policy, udev returns to
   the old and cryptic lsb device naming.
 - devfs made makedev obsolete, udev doesn't work without it / can
   currently not create all devices because of missing sysfs support.

Ignore this mail if you want, but people might be unhappy with udev
because of these regressions and not caring about it will not improve
the situation.

Andreas


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-01-02 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-31  0:29 udev and devfs - The final word Greg KH
2003-12-31  0:29 ` Greg KH
2003-12-31  0:46 ` Johannes Erdfelt
2003-12-31  0:53 ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2003-12-31  0:53   ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2003-12-31 19:17   ` Greg KH
2003-12-31 19:17     ` Greg KH
2004-01-02 16:45     ` Shawn
2004-01-02 16:45       ` Shawn
2003-12-31 12:43 ` Paulo Marques
2004-01-01  1:18 ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-01  1:18   ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-03  5:59   ` Greg KH
2004-01-03  5:59     ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 15:22     ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-03 15:22       ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-03 21:18       ` viro
2004-01-03 21:18         ` viro
2004-01-03 22:11       ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 22:11         ` Greg KH
     [not found]     ` <20040103140140.3b848e9f.witukind@nsbm.kicks-ass.org>
2004-01-03 22:16       ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 22:16         ` Greg KH
2004-01-03 22:33         ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-01-03 22:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-01-02 17:54 ` Andreas Jellinghaus [this message]
2004-01-02 18:19   ` Shawn
2004-03-29 15:38 ` Shawn
2004-03-29 15:39 ` Greg KH
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Helge Hafting
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Greg KH
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Greg KH
2004-03-29 15:40 ` viro
2004-03-29 15:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found] <18Cz7-7Ep-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-12-31  3:05 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-12-31 19:23   ` Greg KH
2003-12-31 20:19     ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 22:01       ` Nathan Conrad
2003-12-31 22:20         ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 21:45           ` Tommi Virtanen
2003-12-31 23:10             ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 21:52               ` Tommi Virtanen
2004-01-02  0:17                 ` Hollis Blanchard
2004-01-02  0:36                   ` viro
2004-01-03  6:04                   ` Greg KH
2003-12-31 22:55           ` viro
2003-12-31 23:05             ` Rob Love
2003-12-31 23:48             ` Andreas Dilger
2004-01-07 10:15             ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 11:18               ` viro
2004-01-07 13:00                 ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 13:26                   ` viro
2004-01-07 13:27                     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-01  0:15       ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-01  0:31         ` Rob Love
2004-01-01 12:34           ` Rob Landley
2004-01-01 15:22             ` Rob Love
2004-01-01 15:48               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-01 15:54                 ` Rob Love
2004-01-02 20:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-03  3:00                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-03  4:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-03 13:10                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-03 22:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-03 23:08                             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04  1:16                               ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-04  1:54                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-04 18:44                                   ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-04  2:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-04  2:49                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04  3:04                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-04 13:21                                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04 21:05                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-04 22:01                                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-04 22:37                                           ` viro
2004-01-05  1:02                                             ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05  2:24                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-05  2:29                                             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05  3:42                                               ` viro
2004-01-04 22:37                                           ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-04 23:35                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-05  1:43                                             ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2004-01-05  1:58                                               ` viro
2004-01-05  2:12                                                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2004-01-05  2:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05  3:06                                             ` David Lang
2004-01-05  3:48                                               ` Rob Landley
2004-01-05  4:52                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-01-05 15:13                                                 ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05 16:36                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2004-01-05 22:18                                                     ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05  3:07                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-01-05  3:33                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05  3:50                                                 ` viro
2004-01-05  4:02                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05  4:38                                                     ` viro
2004-01-05  4:52                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05  6:11                                                         ` viro
2004-01-05  7:47                                                         ` Greg KH
2004-01-05 11:15                                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-05 20:11                                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-01-05 21:06                                                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-05 22:22                                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-01-06  0:14                                                                 ` Rob Landley
2004-01-11 22:12                                                         ` Ed L Cashin
2004-01-05  5:26                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-01-05  7:39                                                       ` Greg KH
2004-01-07  9:57                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-01-05 12:27                                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05 16:13                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 17:29                                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-05 17:33                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 17:52                                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2004-01-05 18:03                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 18:09                                                         ` Hugo Mills
2004-01-05 19:10                                                         ` Paul Rolland
2004-01-05 19:52                                                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05 20:38                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-05 22:17                                                         ` Shawn
2004-01-05 22:25                                                           ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-05 23:05                                                             ` Shawn
2004-01-05 23:23                                                               ` Shawn
2004-01-06  0:43                                                               ` Greg KH
2004-01-06  0:53                                                                 ` Shawn
2004-01-05 23:13                                                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-05 23:32                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-06  0:59                                                             ` viro
2004-01-06  1:17                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-06  4:28                                                                 ` viro
2004-01-06  5:07                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-06  1:06                                                             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-06 15:00                                                               ` Mark Mielke
2004-01-06  0:00                                                           ` Greg KH
2004-01-06  1:41                                                             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-07 17:14                                                               ` Greg KH
2004-01-06  0:31                                                           ` Rob Landley
2004-01-06  7:14                                                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-01-05  7:44                                             ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2004-01-05  7:45                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-01-05 11:01                                                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-05 12:39                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-01-07 13:39                                                     ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-07 17:16                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-01-05  9:06                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-05  4:15                                           ` Peter Chubb
2004-01-05  4:42                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-01 19:43             ` Kai Henningsen
2004-01-02  7:26               ` Rob Landley
2004-01-04  8:57                 ` Greg KH
2004-01-04  9:43                   ` Rob Landley
2004-01-02  0:17             ` Maciej Zenczykowski
     [not found]               ` <20040102103104.GA28168@mark.mielke.cc>
2004-01-03  6:07                 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03  6:51                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-03 11:57                     ` Ian Kent
2004-01-03 22:08                     ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 10:23             ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-01 23:14           ` Rob
2004-01-02  3:53             ` Tyler Hall
2004-01-01 16:17     ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-01-01 20:03       ` Greg KH
     [not found] <fa.af64864.ugabhg@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.de7jae9.1jk0pjt@ifi.uio.no>
2003-12-31 22:17   ` walt
2004-01-01  2:03     ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-01  2:05       ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-01 16:59 Shaheed
     [not found] <fa.flhsork.uka2hg@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.hv9hpq7.1l1q9p3@ifi.uio.no>
2004-01-01 19:53   ` walt
2004-01-01 21:53     ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-06  1:20 Paul Zimmerman
2004-01-08 13:05 "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-01-08 13:53 "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-01-08 15:40 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 17:26   ` Diego Calleja
2004-01-08 19:25     ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-08 22:40       ` Alex Goddard
2004-01-09  7:03         ` "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-01-08 18:14   ` Alex Goddard
2004-01-08 18:35     ` Alex Goddard
2004-01-08 19:22     ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-09  8:51 ` Helge Hafting

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