All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: "Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Wu Fengguang" <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Larry Woodman" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu" <eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"KOSAKI Motohiro" <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Matt Mackall" <mpm@selenic.com>,
	"Alexey Dobriyan" <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090428110319.GC25347@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84144f020904280257j57b5b686k91cc4096a8e5ca29@mail.gmail.com>


* Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:

> Hi Ingo,
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> > I 'integrate' traces all the time to get summary counts. This series
> > of dynamic events:
> >
> >  allocation
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >  page count down
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >
> > integrates into: "page count is 6".
> >
> > Note that "integration" can be done wholly in the kernel too, 
> > without going to the overhead of streaming all dynamic events to 
> > user-space, just to summarize data into counts, in-kernel. That 
> > is what the ftrace statistics framework and various ftrace 
> > plugins are about.
> >
> > Also, it might make sense to extend the framework with a series 
> > of 'get current object state' events when tracing is turned on. 
> > A special case of _that_ would in essence be what the /proc hack 
> > does now - just expressed in a much more generic, and a much 
> > more usable form.
> 
> I guess the main question here is whether this approach will scale 
> to something like kmalloc() or the page allocator in production 
> environments. For any serious workload, the frequency of events is 
> going to be pretty high.

it depends on the level of integration. If the integration is done 
right at the tracepoint callback, performance overhead will be very 
small. If everything is traced and then streamed to user-space then 
there is going to be noticeable overhead starting somewhere around a 
few hundred thousand events per second per cpu.

Note that the 'get object state' approach i outlined above in the 
final paragraph has no runtime overhead at all. As long as 'object 
state' only covers fields that we maintain already for normal kernel 
functionality, it costs nothing to allow the passive sampling of 
that state. The /proc patch is a subset of such a facility in 
essence.

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: "Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Wu Fengguang" <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Larry Woodman" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu" <eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"KOSAKI Motohiro" <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Matt Mackall" <mpm@selenic.com>,
	"Alexey Dobriyan" <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090428110319.GC25347@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84144f020904280257j57b5b686k91cc4096a8e5ca29@mail.gmail.com>


* Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:

> Hi Ingo,
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> > I 'integrate' traces all the time to get summary counts. This series
> > of dynamic events:
> >
> >  allocation
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >  page count down
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >  page count up
> >
> > integrates into: "page count is 6".
> >
> > Note that "integration" can be done wholly in the kernel too, 
> > without going to the overhead of streaming all dynamic events to 
> > user-space, just to summarize data into counts, in-kernel. That 
> > is what the ftrace statistics framework and various ftrace 
> > plugins are about.
> >
> > Also, it might make sense to extend the framework with a series 
> > of 'get current object state' events when tracing is turned on. 
> > A special case of _that_ would in essence be what the /proc hack 
> > does now - just expressed in a much more generic, and a much 
> > more usable form.
> 
> I guess the main question here is whether this approach will scale 
> to something like kmalloc() or the page allocator in production 
> environments. For any serious workload, the frequency of events is 
> going to be pretty high.

it depends on the level of integration. If the integration is done 
right at the tracepoint callback, performance overhead will be very 
small. If everything is traced and then streamed to user-space then 
there is going to be noticeable overhead starting somewhere around a 
few hundred thousand events per second per cpu.

Note that the 'get object state' approach i outlined above in the 
final paragraph has no runtime overhead at all. As long as 'object 
state' only covers fields that we maintain already for normal kernel 
functionality, it costs nothing to allow the passive sampling of 
that state. The /proc patch is a subset of such a facility in 
essence.

	Ingo

--
To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
the body to majordomo@kvack.org.  For more info on Linux MM,
see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ .
Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-28 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-28  1:09 [PATCH 0/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags (take 4) Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09 ` [PATCH 1/5] pagemap: document clarifications Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  7:11   ` Tommi Rantala
2009-04-28  7:11     ` Tommi Rantala
2009-04-28  1:09 ` [PATCH 2/5] pagemap: documentation 9 more exported page flags Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: introduce PageHuge() for testing huge/gigantic pages Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09 ` [PATCH 4/5] proc: kpagecount/kpageflags code cleanup Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09 ` [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  1:09   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  6:55   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  6:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  7:40     ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28  7:40       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28  9:04       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:04         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:10         ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28  9:10           ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28  9:15           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:15             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:15         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:15           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:19           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:19             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:25             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:25               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:36               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:36                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:57                 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28  9:57                   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 10:10                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 10:10                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 10:21                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 10:21                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 10:56                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 10:56                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 11:09                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 11:09                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 12:42                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 12:42                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 11:03                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-28 11:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 17:42                 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 17:42                   ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28  9:29             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:34               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  9:34                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  9:38                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:55                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:55                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 10:11                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 10:11                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 11:05                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 11:05                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 11:36                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 11:36                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 12:17                         ` [rfc] object collection tracing (was: [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags) Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 12:17                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 13:31                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 13:31                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 13:01                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-12 13:01                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-17 13:36                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-17 13:55                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-17 13:55                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-17 14:12                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-17 14:12                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-18 11:44                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-18 11:44                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-18 11:47                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-18 11:47                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 10:18                   ` [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags Andi Kleen
2009-04-28 10:18                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28  8:33     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  8:33       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:24       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28  9:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 18:11       ` Tony Luck
2009-04-28 18:11         ` Tony Luck
2009-04-28 18:34         ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 18:34           ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 20:47           ` Tony Luck
2009-04-28 20:47             ` Tony Luck
2009-04-28 20:54             ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28 20:54               ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28 20:59             ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 20:59               ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 21:17         ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 21:17           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 21:49           ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 21:49             ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-29  0:02             ` Robin Holt
2009-04-29  0:02               ` Robin Holt
2009-04-28 17:49   ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 17:49     ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-29  8:05     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  8:05       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 19:13       ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-29 19:13         ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-30  1:00         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-30  1:00           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 21:32   ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 21:32     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 22:46     ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 22:46       ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 23:02       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 23:02         ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 23:31         ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 23:31           ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 23:42           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 23:42             ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 23:55             ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 23:55               ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-29  3:33               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  3:33                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  2:38     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  2:38       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  2:55       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  2:55         ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  3:48         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  3:48           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  5:09           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  5:09             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29  4:41       ` Nathan Lynch
2009-04-29  4:41         ` Nathan Lynch
2009-04-29  4:41         ` Nathan Lynch
2009-04-29  4:50         ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  4:50           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  4:50           ` Andrew Morton

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20090428110319.GC25347@elte.hu \
    --to=mingo@elte.hu \
    --cc=a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl \
    --cc=adobriyan@gmail.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=andi@firstfloor.org \
    --cc=eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro \
    --cc=fengguang.wu@intel.com \
    --cc=fweisbec@gmail.com \
    --cc=kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=lwoodman@redhat.com \
    --cc=mpm@selenic.com \
    --cc=penberg@cs.helsinki.fi \
    --cc=rostedt@goodmis.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.