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* Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
@ 2009-06-19 22:19 Learner Study
  2009-06-20  6:27 ` Jens Axboe
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Learner Study @ 2009-06-19 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: fio; +Cc: Jens Axboe, learner.study

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Hi:

How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?

Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...

Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of output log,
there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but "io" field
(3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
individual thread iops....

For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of output), says
"io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".

In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be 58781) ! Can
someone please educate what am I missing?

Thanks a lot!

================================== FIO Output
=========================================
[root@localhost fio-1.24]# ./1.sh
job1: (g=0): rw=read, bs=512-512/512-512, ioengine=libaio, iodepth=4000
job2: (g=0): rw=read, bs=512-512/512-512, ioengine=libaio, iodepth=4000
Starting 2 processes
Jobs: 2 (f=2): [RR] [100.0% done] [ 30609/     0 kb/s] [eta 00m:00s]
job1: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=3389
  read : io=860MiB, bw=15,035KiB/s, iops=29,366, runt= 60003msec
    slat (usec): min=7, max=72,825, avg=20.43, stdev=219.35
    clat (msec): min=1, max=505, avg=136.08, stdev=43.51
    bw (KiB/s) : min= 4047, max=23724, per=49.91%, avg=15025.60,
stdev=3869.13
  cpu          : usr=14.77%, sys=70.29%, ctx=36920, majf=0, minf=514
  IO depths    : 1=0.1%, 2=0.1%, 4=0.1%, 8=0.1%, 16=0.1%, 32=0.1%,
>=64=100.0%
     submit    : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%,
>=64=0.0%
     complete  : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%,
>=64=0.1%
     issued r/w: total=1762085/0, short=0/0

     lat (msec): 2=0.01%, 4=0.01%, 10=0.01%, 20=0.02%, 50=0.03%
     lat (msec): 100=28.57%, 250=70.55%, 500=0.68%, 750=0.14%
job2: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=3390
  read : io=863MiB, bw=15,076KiB/s, iops=29,445, runt= 60030msec
    slat (usec): min=7, max=90,307, avg=20.00, stdev=233.75
    clat (msec): min=28, max=617, avg=135.63, stdev=47.85
    bw (KiB/s) : min= 5039, max=23341, per=49.98%, avg=15047.44,
stdev=4046.40
  cpu          : usr=14.86%, sys=66.24%, ctx=35149, majf=0, minf=514
  IO depths    : 1=0.1%, 2=0.1%, 4=0.1%, 8=0.1%, 16=0.1%, 32=0.1%,
>=64=100.0%
     submit    : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%,
>=64=0.0%
     complete  : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%,
>=64=0.1%
     issued r/w: total=1767629/0, short=0/0

     lat (msec): 50=0.21%, 100=24.98%, 250=72.56%, 500=2.03%, 750=0.21%

Run status group 0 (all jobs):
   READ: io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s, minb=15,035KiB/s, maxb=15,076KiB/s,
mint=60003msec, maxt=60030msec

Disk stats (read/write):
  sdb: ios=76944/0, merge=3452770/0, ticks=454753/0, in_queue=454712,
util=99.86%

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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
  2009-06-19 22:19 Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops) Learner Study
@ 2009-06-20  6:27 ` Jens Axboe
  2009-06-20 13:21   ` John Cagle
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jens Axboe @ 2009-06-20  6:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Learner Study; +Cc: fio

On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
> 
> Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
> 
> Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of output log,
> there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but "io" field
> (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
> individual thread iops....
> 
> For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
> Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
> But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of output), says
> "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
> 
> In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be 58781) ! Can
> someone please educate what am I missing?

Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best way
to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.

-- 
Jens Axboe


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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
  2009-06-20  6:27 ` Jens Axboe
@ 2009-06-20 13:21   ` John Cagle
  2009-06-20 14:12     ` Jens Axboe
  2009-06-20 15:33     ` Jens Axboe
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: John Cagle @ 2009-06-20 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jens Axboe; +Cc: Learner Study, fio

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On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
> >
> > Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
> >
> > Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of output log,
> > there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but "io"
> field
> > (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
> > individual thread iops....
> >
> > For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
> > Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
> > But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of output), says
> > "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
> >
> > In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be 58781) ! Can
> > someone please educate what am I missing?
>
> Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best way
> to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
> problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.
>

I thought the "io=" summary at the end was the total amount of I/O performed
(in megabytes), not the total number of IOPS.

What were your block size and length of run for the example?

John

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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
  2009-06-20 13:21   ` John Cagle
@ 2009-06-20 14:12     ` Jens Axboe
  2009-06-20 20:38       ` Learner Study
  2009-06-20 15:33     ` Jens Axboe
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jens Axboe @ 2009-06-20 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Cagle; +Cc: Jens Axboe, Learner Study, fio

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On 20/06/2009, at 15.21, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>  
> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
> >
> > Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
> >
> > Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of  
> output log,
> > there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but  
> "io" field
> > (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
> > individual thread iops....
> >
> > For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
> > Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
> > But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of  
> output), says
> > "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
> >
> > In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be  
> 58781) ! Can
> > someone please educate what am I missing?
>
> Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best  
> way
> to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
> problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.
>
> I thought the "io=" summary at the end was the total amount of I/O  
> performed (in megabytes), not the total number of IOPS.

It is, you are correct. Seems I misread the problem.

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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
  2009-06-20 13:21   ` John Cagle
  2009-06-20 14:12     ` Jens Axboe
@ 2009-06-20 15:33     ` Jens Axboe
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jens Axboe @ 2009-06-20 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Cagle; +Cc: Learner Study, fio

On 20/06/2009, at 15.21, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>  
> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
> >
> > Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
> >
> > Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of  
> output log,
> > there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but  
> "io" field
> > (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
> > individual thread iops....
> >
> > For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
> > Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
> > But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of  
> output), says
> > "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
> >
> > In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be  
> 58781) ! Can
> > someone please educate what am I missing?
>
> Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best  
> way
> to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
> problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.
>
> I thought the "io=" summary at the end was the total amount of I/O  
> performed (in megabytes), not the total number of IOPS.

It is, you are correct. Seems I misread the problem.

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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
  2009-06-20 14:12     ` Jens Axboe
@ 2009-06-20 20:38       ` Learner Study
  2009-06-20 21:17         ` Learner Study
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Learner Study @ 2009-06-20 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jens Axboe; +Cc: John Cagle, Jens Axboe, fio

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runtime = 60 and blocksize=512

The exact cmd is:
./fio --name=global --runtime=60 --rw=read --bs=512 --direct=1
--ioengine=aio --iodepth=4000 --loops=100 --name=job1 --filename=/dev/sdb
--name=job2 --filename=/dev/sdb

Thanks!


On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:

> On 20/06/2009, at 15.21, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jens Axboe < <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
> jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
>> >
>> > Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
>> >
>> > Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of output
>> log,
>> > there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but "io"
>> field
>> > (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
>> > individual thread iops....
>> >
>> > For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
>> > Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
>> > But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of output),
>> says
>> > "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
>> >
>> > In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be 58781) ! Can
>> > someone please educate what am I missing?
>>
>> Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best way
>> to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
>> problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.
>>
>
> I thought the "io=" summary at the end was the total amount of I/O
> performed (in megabytes), not the total number of IOPS.
>
>
> It is, you are correct. Seems I misread the problem.
>

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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
  2009-06-20 20:38       ` Learner Study
@ 2009-06-20 21:17         ` Learner Study
       [not found]           ` <6863f0c90906202031h54c9f74bwdb09ca084d05ddfa@mail.gmail.com>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Learner Study @ 2009-06-20 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jens Axboe; +Cc: John Cagle, Jens Axboe, fio

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The summary says, io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s

So, aggrb = io/runtime => 1723/60 => 28.716 => 28, 716 KiB/s (assuming 1KiB
= 1000 B)....still != aggrb shown in the result...

Thanks!


On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Learner Study <learner.study@gmail.com>wrote:

> runtime = 60 and blocksize=512
>
> The exact cmd is:
> ./fio --name=global --runtime=60 --rw=read --bs=512 --direct=1
> --ioengine=aio --iodepth=4000 --loops=100 --name=job1 --filename=/dev/sdb
> --name=job2 --filename=/dev/sdb
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/06/2009, at 15.21, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jens Axboe < <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
>> jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
>>> > Hi:
>>> >
>>> > How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
>>> >
>>> > Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
>>> >
>>> > Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of output
>>> log,
>>> > there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but "io"
>>> field
>>> > (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
>>> > individual thread iops....
>>> >
>>> > For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
>>> > Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
>>> > But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of output),
>>> says
>>> > "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
>>> >
>>> > In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be 58781) !
>>> Can
>>> > someone please educate what am I missing?
>>>
>>> Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best way
>>> to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
>>> problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.
>>>
>>
>> I thought the "io=" summary at the end was the total amount of I/O
>> performed (in megabytes), not the total number of IOPS.
>>
>>
>> It is, you are correct. Seems I misread the problem.
>>
>
>

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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
       [not found]           ` <6863f0c90906202031h54c9f74bwdb09ca084d05ddfa@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2009-06-21  5:15             ` Learner Study
  2009-06-21 12:30               ` John Cagle
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Learner Study @ 2009-06-21  5:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Cagle; +Cc: Jens Axboe, fio

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I'm using 1.24 version - does latest 1.27 fix this issue?

Thanks!

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:31 PM, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, 1KiB is 1024 bytes, but you're right -- the io values and the
> aggrb values don't seem to agree.
>
> What version of fio are you using?  There was a bug in one of the earlier
> version (around 1.24 or 1.25) where it was using 1000 instead of 1024 when
> doing some calculations.
>
> John
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Learner Study <learner.study@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The summary says, io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s
>>
>> So, aggrb = io/runtime => 1723/60 => 28.716 => 28, 716 KiB/s (assuming
>> 1KiB = 1000 B)....still != aggrb shown in the result...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Learner Study <learner.study@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> runtime = 60 and blocksize=512
>>>
>>> The exact cmd is:
>>> ./fio --name=global --runtime=60 --rw=read --bs=512 --direct=1
>>> --ioengine=aio --iodepth=4000 --loops=100 --name=job1 --filename=/dev/sdb
>>> --name=job2 --filename=/dev/sdb
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/06/2009, at 15.21, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jens Axboe < <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
>>>> jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
>>>>> > Hi:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of output
>>>>> log,
>>>>> > there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but "io"
>>>>> field
>>>>> > (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
>>>>> > individual thread iops....
>>>>> >
>>>>> > For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
>>>>> > Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
>>>>> > But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of output),
>>>>> says
>>>>> > "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be 58781) !
>>>>> Can
>>>>> > someone please educate what am I missing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best
>>>>> way
>>>>> to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
>>>>> problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought the "io=" summary at the end was the total amount of I/O
>>>> performed (in megabytes), not the total number of IOPS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is, you are correct. Seems I misread the problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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* Re: Ques on FIO output (how to interpret iops)
  2009-06-21  5:15             ` Learner Study
@ 2009-06-21 12:30               ` John Cagle
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: John Cagle @ 2009-06-21 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Learner Study; +Cc: Jens Axboe, fio

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Probably.  Give it a try.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Learner Study <learner.study@gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm using 1.24 version - does latest 1.27 fix this issue?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:31 PM, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, 1KiB is 1024 bytes, but you're right -- the io values and the
>> aggrb values don't seem to agree.
>>
>> What version of fio are you using?  There was a bug in one of the earlier
>> version (around 1.24 or 1.25) where it was using 1000 instead of 1024 when
>> doing some calculations.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Learner Study <learner.study@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The summary says, io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s
>>>
>>> So, aggrb = io/runtime => 1723/60 => 28.716 => 28, 716 KiB/s (assuming
>>> 1KiB = 1000 B)....still != aggrb shown in the result...
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Learner Study <learner.study@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> runtime = 60 and blocksize=512
>>>>
>>>> The exact cmd is:
>>>> ./fio --name=global --runtime=60 --rw=read --bs=512 --direct=1
>>>> --ioengine=aio --iodepth=4000 --loops=100 --name=job1 --filename=/dev/sdb
>>>> --name=job2 --filename=/dev/sdb
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/06/2009, at 15.21, John Cagle <jcagle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Jens Axboe < <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
>>>>> jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 19 2009, Learner Study wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > How do I calculate total IOPS done by different FIO threads/jobs?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Following is output from FIO (with two threads)...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Each thread shows "bw" and "iops" numbers. Towards the end of output
>>>>>> log,
>>>>>> > there is "aggrb" which is sum of individual "bw" of threads, but
>>>>>> "io" field
>>>>>> > (3 line from the bottom of output below) doesn't seem to be sum of
>>>>>> > individual thread iops....
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > For example, Thread_1 has bw: 15k iops: 29366
>>>>>> > Thread_2 has bw: 15k iops: 29445
>>>>>> > But, the summary towards the end (third line from bottom of output),
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> > "io=1,723MiB, aggrb=30,105KiB/s".
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > In this aggrb is good but io doesn't match up (it should be 58781) !
>>>>>> Can
>>>>>> > someone please educate what am I missing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you try a newer version? If the problem is still there, the best
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> to get it fixed is to send my a simple job file that reproduces the
>>>>>> problem, and then I can easily fix it for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought the "io=" summary at the end was the total amount of I/O
>>>>> performed (in megabytes), not the total number of IOPS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is, you are correct. Seems I misread the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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