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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Ananth Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, utrace-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC,PATCH 14/14] utrace core
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:44:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091124214450.GA12828@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091124212619.GB29096@one.firstfloor.org>

(restore cc's)

On 11/24, Andi Kleen wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 09:41:52PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 11/24, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > >
> > > Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > From: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
> > > >
> > > > This adds the utrace facility, a new modular interface in the kernel
> > > > for implementing user thread tracing and debugging.  This fits on top
> > > > of the tracehook_* layer, so the new code is well-isolated.
> > >
> > > Could we just drop the tracehook layer if this finally merged
> > > and call the low level functions directly?
> >
> > Not sure I understand. Tracehooks are trivial inline wrappers on
> > top utrace calls,
>
> Yes that's the problem -- they are unnecessary obfuscation
> when you can just call directly.

This is subjective, but personally I disagree. Contrary, imho it
is good that tracehook hides the (simple) details. I do not understand
why the reader of, say, do_fork() should see the contents of
tracehook_report_clone_complete(). This will complicate the understanding.
Those people who want to understand/change fork() do not care about
utrace/ptrace usually.

And please note that it is much, much easier to change this code
when it lives in tracehooks.h instead of sched.c/signal.c/etc.

> > What is the point?
>
> Less code obfuscation.
>
> When it's a utrace call, call it a utrace call, not something else.

Why do you think this is obfuscation? Well, we can rename these
helpers, s/tracehook_/utrace_/, but I don't see how this can make
the code more readable.

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-24 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-24 20:02 [RFC,PATCH 14/14] utrace core Oleg Nesterov
2009-11-24 20:32 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-24 20:41   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-11-24 21:26     ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-24 21:31       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-11-24 21:34         ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-24 21:44       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2009-11-25  8:46         ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 14:55           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-11-25 16:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-25 21:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-12-01 23:47   ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-01 19:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-01 22:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 18:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-08 15:04       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-08 15:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-08 16:31           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-08 18:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-08 18:37               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-13 20:48               ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-08 15:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-08 17:51           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-02  5:44   ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-02 18:34   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-02 18:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-05 19:14     ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-14  0:25   ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-14 13:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-14 17:41       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-14 19:31         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-14 19:42           ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-16 11:18       ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-14 17:03     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-14 19:44       ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-14 20:24         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-15  2:59           ` Roland McGrath

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