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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	gregory.haskins@gmail.com, s.hetze@linux-ag.com,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: virtio: put last_used and last_avail index into ring itself.
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:57:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100509085733.GD16775@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201005071235.40590.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:35:39PM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2010 03:57:55 pm Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 10:22:12AM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 03:52:36 am Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > What do you think?
> > > 
> > > I think everyone is settled on 128 byte cache lines for the forseeable
> > > future, so it's not really an issue.
> > 
> > You mean with 64 bit descriptors we will be bouncing a cache line
> > between host and guest, anyway?
> 
> I'm confused by this entire thread.
> 
> Descriptors are 16 bytes.  They are at the start, so presumably aligned to
> cache boundaries.
> 
> Available ring follows that at 2 bytes per entry, so it's also packed nicely
> into cachelines.
> 
> Then there's padding to page boundary.  That puts us on a cacheline again
> for the used ring; also 2 bytes per entry.
> 

Hmm, is used ring really 2 bytes per entry?


/* u32 is used here for ids for padding reasons. */
struct vring_used_elem {
        /* Index of start of used descriptor chain. */
        __u32 id;
        /* Total length of the descriptor chain which was used (written to) */
        __u32 len;
};

struct vring_used {
        __u16 flags;
        __u16 idx;
        struct vring_used_elem ring[];
};

> I don't see how any change in layout could be more cache friendly?
> Rusty.

I thought that used ring has 8 bytes per entry, and that struct
vring_used is aligned at page boundary, this
would mean that ring element is at offset 4 bytes from page boundary.
Thus with cacheline size 128 bytes, each 4th element crosses
a cacheline boundary. If we had a 4 byte padding after idx, each
used element would always be completely within a single cacheline.

What am I missing?
-- 
MST

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	gregory.haskins@gmail.com, s.hetze@linux-ag.com,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: virtio: put last_used and last_avail index into ring itself.
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:57:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100509085733.GD16775@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201005071235.40590.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:35:39PM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2010 03:57:55 pm Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 10:22:12AM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 03:52:36 am Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > What do you think?
> > > 
> > > I think everyone is settled on 128 byte cache lines for the forseeable
> > > future, so it's not really an issue.
> > 
> > You mean with 64 bit descriptors we will be bouncing a cache line
> > between host and guest, anyway?
> 
> I'm confused by this entire thread.
> 
> Descriptors are 16 bytes.  They are at the start, so presumably aligned to
> cache boundaries.
> 
> Available ring follows that at 2 bytes per entry, so it's also packed nicely
> into cachelines.
> 
> Then there's padding to page boundary.  That puts us on a cacheline again
> for the used ring; also 2 bytes per entry.
> 

Hmm, is used ring really 2 bytes per entry?


/* u32 is used here for ids for padding reasons. */
struct vring_used_elem {
        /* Index of start of used descriptor chain. */
        __u32 id;
        /* Total length of the descriptor chain which was used (written to) */
        __u32 len;
};

struct vring_used {
        __u16 flags;
        __u16 idx;
        struct vring_used_elem ring[];
};

> I don't see how any change in layout could be more cache friendly?
> Rusty.

I thought that used ring has 8 bytes per entry, and that struct
vring_used is aligned at page boundary, this
would mean that ring element is at offset 4 bytes from page boundary.
Thus with cacheline size 128 bytes, each 4th element crosses
a cacheline boundary. If we had a 4 byte padding after idx, each
used element would always be completely within a single cacheline.

What am I missing?
-- 
MST

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-09  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1257349249.git.mst@redhat.com>
2009-11-04 15:55 ` [PATCHv8 1/3] tun: export underlying socket Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:55 ` [PATCHv8 2/3] mm: export use_mm/unuse_mm to modules Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:55   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:57 ` [PATCHv8 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:57   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 15:57   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-06  4:59   ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-06  4:59   ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-06  4:59     ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-08 11:35     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-08 11:35       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09  6:17       ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-09  6:17       ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-09  6:17         ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-09  7:10         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09  7:10           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-10  1:08           ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-10  1:08             ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-10  1:08           ` Rusty Russell
2009-11-09  7:10         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09  7:20         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09  7:20           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09  7:20         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09 11:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09 11:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-09 11:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 18:22         ` virtio: put last_used and last_avail index into ring itself Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 18:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-06  0:52           ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-06  0:52           ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-06  0:52             ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-06  6:27             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-06  6:27             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-06  6:27               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-07  3:05               ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-07  3:05               ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-07  3:05                 ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-09  8:57                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-09  8:57                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-05-09  8:57                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-10  3:11                   ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-10  3:11                     ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-10  3:11                   ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-04 18:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-08 11:35     ` [PATCHv8 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server Michael S. Tsirkin

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