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From: Mandeep Singh Baines <msb-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker
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	Mandeep Singh Baines
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	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
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	Andrew Morton
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	"Paul E. McKenney"
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	Containers
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Subject: Re: Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:31:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120112003102.GB9511@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120111160730.GA24556-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Hi Oleg,

Oleg Nesterov (oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org) wrote:
> On 01/06, Mandeep Singh Baines wrote:
> >
> > Oleg Nesterov (oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org) wrote:
> > >
> > > > > in particular, http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=127714242731448
> > > > > I think this should work, but then we should do something with the
> > > > > users like zap_threads().
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > With that patch, won't you potentially miss the exec thread if an exec
> > > > occurs while you're iterating over the list? Is that OK?
> > >
> > > Of course it is not OK ;) Note the "we should do something with" above.
> > >
> >
> > So requirements should be something like this:
> 
> (I assume, you mean the lockless case)
> 

Correct.

> > * Any task alive for the duration of the iteration MUST be visited
> > * No task should be visited more than once
> > * Any task born or exiting after starting the iteration MAY be skipped
> > * You can start at any task in the thread group
> 
> Well yes, but it is not easy to exactly define what after/before
> means in this case.
> 
> > Would something like this work:
> >
> > #define while_each_thread(g, t, o) \
> > 	while (t->group_leader == o && (t = next_thread(t)) != g)
> >
> > Where o should have the value of g->group_leader.
> 
> I don't understand how this helps... and how this can work even
> ignoring the barriers.
> 
> OK, we have the main thream M and the sub-thread T, we are doing
> 
> 	do {
> 		do_something(t);
> 	} while_each_thread(M, t, M);
> 
> why we can't miss T if it does exec?
> 

So for:

struct task *M; /* assuming this is passed in to us */
struct task *L = M->group_leader;
struct task *I = M;

do {
	do_something(T);
} while_each_thread(M, T, L);

Here is my thinking.

If some thread K does exec, you won't miss it because:

1) Ignoring the group_leader check, you'll visit K just by following
   next_thread(). That's the case today and is what you except
   when iterating over an rcu_list.
2) (t->group_leader == o) will fail iff t is the exec thread.
   Since we test t->group_leader before re-assigning it (t=next_thread()),
   the test will fail only after visiting the exec thread. So you'll
   visit the exec thread and then terminate the loop.

I realize its a klutzy interface (requires 3 variables) but it seems
correct (ignoring barriers) and meets all the requirements. I'm hoping
it inspires a solution which is less klutzy and meet its all the
requirements.

Regards,
Mandeep

> Oleg.
> 

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mandeep Singh Baines <msb@chromium.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Mandeep Singh Baines <msb@chromium.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Paul Menage <paul@paulmenage.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:31:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120112003102.GB9511@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120111160730.GA24556@redhat.com>

Hi Oleg,

Oleg Nesterov (oleg@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 01/06, Mandeep Singh Baines wrote:
> >
> > Oleg Nesterov (oleg@redhat.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > > > in particular, http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=127714242731448
> > > > > I think this should work, but then we should do something with the
> > > > > users like zap_threads().
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > With that patch, won't you potentially miss the exec thread if an exec
> > > > occurs while you're iterating over the list? Is that OK?
> > >
> > > Of course it is not OK ;) Note the "we should do something with" above.
> > >
> >
> > So requirements should be something like this:
> 
> (I assume, you mean the lockless case)
> 

Correct.

> > * Any task alive for the duration of the iteration MUST be visited
> > * No task should be visited more than once
> > * Any task born or exiting after starting the iteration MAY be skipped
> > * You can start at any task in the thread group
> 
> Well yes, but it is not easy to exactly define what after/before
> means in this case.
> 
> > Would something like this work:
> >
> > #define while_each_thread(g, t, o) \
> > 	while (t->group_leader == o && (t = next_thread(t)) != g)
> >
> > Where o should have the value of g->group_leader.
> 
> I don't understand how this helps... and how this can work even
> ignoring the barriers.
> 
> OK, we have the main thream M and the sub-thread T, we are doing
> 
> 	do {
> 		do_something(t);
> 	} while_each_thread(M, t, M);
> 
> why we can't miss T if it does exec?
> 

So for:

struct task *M; /* assuming this is passed in to us */
struct task *L = M->group_leader;
struct task *I = M;

do {
	do_something(T);
} while_each_thread(M, T, L);

Here is my thinking.

If some thread K does exec, you won't miss it because:

1) Ignoring the group_leader check, you'll visit K just by following
   next_thread(). That's the case today and is what you except
   when iterating over an rcu_list.
2) (t->group_leader == o) will fail iff t is the exec thread.
   Since we test t->group_leader before re-assigning it (t=next_thread()),
   the test will fail only after visiting the exec thread. So you'll
   visit the exec thread and then terminate the loop.

I realize its a klutzy interface (requires 3 variables) but it seems
correct (ignoring barriers) and meets all the requirements. I'm hoping
it inspires a solution which is less klutzy and meet its all the
requirements.

Regards,
Mandeep

> Oleg.
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-01-12  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-21  3:43 Q: cgroup: Questions about possible issues in cgroup locking Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21  3:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 13:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 13:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 17:56   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:01     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 19:01       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]       ` <20111221190102.GE13529-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 19:08         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:08           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 19:24           ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-21 19:24             ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]             ` <20111221192413.GF13529-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 20:04               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 20:04             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 20:04               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-22 15:30               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-22 15:30                 ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                 ` <20111222153004.GA30522-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-04 19:36                   ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-04 19:36                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-04 19:36                   ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                   ` <20120104193614.GF9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-06 15:23                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-06 15:23                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                       ` <20120106152356.GA23995-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-06 18:25                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-06 18:25                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-06 18:25                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                         ` <20120106182535.GJ9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-11 16:07                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-11 16:07                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                             ` <20120111160730.GA24556-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12  0:31                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines [this message]
2012-01-12  0:31                                 ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                 ` <20120112003102.GB9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12 17:07                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 17:07                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-12 17:57                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-12 17:57                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                       ` <20120112175725.GD9511-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-13 15:20                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-13 15:20                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                           ` <20120113152010.GA19215-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-13 18:27                                             ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-13 18:27                                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                               ` <20120113182750.GD18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-14 17:36                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-14 17:36                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-18 23:17                                                   ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-18 23:17                                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                     ` <20120118231742.GS18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-19 15:45                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-19 15:45                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-19 18:18                                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-01-19 18:18                                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                                         ` <20120119181803.GU18166-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-20 15:06                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-20 15:06                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-20 19:34                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-20 19:34                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                         ` <20120320193414.GA21277-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-21 18:59                                                           ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-03-21 18:59                                                             ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-03-23 17:51                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-03-23 17:51                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                             ` <20120321185955.GK27051-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-23 17:51                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                       ` <20120119154522.GA14058-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-19 18:18                                                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-03-20 19:34                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                   ` <20120114173648.GA32543-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-18 23:17                                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
     [not found]                                     ` <20120112170728.GA25717-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-01-12 17:57                                       ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2011-12-22 15:30               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 19:01     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2012-02-01 16:28   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28     ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]   ` <20111221130848.GA19679-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 17:56     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:59     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 17:59       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:11       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-21 18:11         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20111221181101.GA3092-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-21 18:23           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:23         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 18:23           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:28     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-12-21 13:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-12-21  3:43 Frederic Weisbecker

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