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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: Marc MERLIN <marc@merlins.org>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: brtfs on top of dmcrypt with SSD. No corruption iff write cache off?
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:56:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120201175624.GE16796@shiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120130003754.GD4380@merlins.org>

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 04:37:54PM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I'm considering using brtfs for my new laptop install.
> 
> Encryption is however a requirement, and ecryptfs doesn't quite cut it for
> me, so that leaves me with dmcrypt which is what I've been using with
> ext3/ext4 for years.
> 
> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/articles/g/o/t/Gotchas.html 
> still states that 
> 'dm-crypt block devices require write-caching to be turned off on the
> underlying HDD'
> While the report was for 2.6.33, I'll assume it's still true.
> 
> 
> I was considering migrating to a recent 256GB SSD and 3.2.x kernel.
> 
> First, I'd like to check if the 'turn off write cache' comment is still
> accurate and if it does apply to SSDs too.
> 
> Second, I was wondering if anyone is running btrfs over dmcrypt on an SSD
> and what the performance is like with write cache turned off (I'm actually
> not too sure what the impact is for SSDs considering that writing to flash
> can actually be slower than writing to a hard drive).

Performance without the cache on is going to vary wildly from one SSD to
another.  Some really need it to give them nice fat writes while others
do better on smaller writes.  It's best to just test yours and see.

With a 3.2 kernel (it really must be 3.2 or higher), both btrfs and dm
are doing the right thing for barriers.

-chris


  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-01 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-30  0:37 brtfs on top of dmcrypt with SSD. No corruption iff write cache off? Marc MERLIN
2012-02-01 17:56 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2012-02-02  3:23   ` Marc MERLIN
2012-02-02 12:42     ` Chris Mason
     [not found]       ` <20120202152722.GI12429@merlins.org>
2012-02-12 22:32         ` Marc MERLIN
2012-02-12 23:47           ` Milan Broz
2012-02-13  0:14             ` Marc MERLIN
2012-02-15 15:42               ` Calvin Walton
2012-02-15 16:55                 ` Marc MERLIN
2012-02-15 16:59                   ` Hugo Mills
2012-02-22 10:28                     ` Justin Ossevoort
2012-02-22 11:07                       ` Hugo Mills
2012-02-16  6:33               ` Chris Samuel
2012-02-18 12:33               ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-02-18 12:39               ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-02-18 12:49                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-07-18 18:13               ` brtfs on top of dmcrypt with SSD -> Trim or no Trim Marc MERLIN
2012-07-18 20:04                 ` Fajar A. Nugraha
2012-07-18 20:37                   ` Marc MERLIN
2012-07-18 21:34                   ` Clemens Eisserer
2012-07-18 21:48                     ` Marc MERLIN
2012-07-18 21:49                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-07-18 22:04                   ` Marc MERLIN
2012-07-19 10:40                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-07-22 18:58                     ` brtfs on top of dmcrypt with SSD -> ssd or nossd + crypt performance? Marc MERLIN
2012-07-22 19:35                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-07-22 19:43                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-07-22 20:44                         ` Marc MERLIN
2012-07-22 22:41                           ` brtfs on top of dmcrypt with SSD -> file access 5x slower than spinning disk Marc MERLIN
2012-07-23  6:42                             ` How can btrfs take 23sec to stat 23K files from an SSD? Marc MERLIN
2012-07-24  7:56                               ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-07-27  4:40                                 ` Marc MERLIN
2012-07-27 11:08                               ` Chris Mason
2012-07-27 18:42                                 ` Marc MERLIN
2012-02-18 16:07             ` brtfs on top of dmcrypt with SSD. No corruption iff write cache off? Marc MERLIN
2012-02-19  0:53               ` Clemens Eisserer
2012-07-25 15:45 du -s src is a lot slower on SSD than spinning disk in the same laptop Marc MERLIN
     [not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1207252023080.4340@(none)>
2012-07-25 23:38   ` Marc MERLIN
2012-07-26  3:32   ` Ted Ts'o
2012-07-26  3:35     ` Marc MERLIN
2012-07-26  6:54     ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-01  5:30       ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-01  6:01         ` How can btrfs take 23sec to stat 23K files from an SSD? Marc MERLIN
2012-08-01  6:08           ` Fajar A. Nugraha
2012-08-01  6:21             ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-01 21:57               ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-08-02  5:07                 ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-02 11:18                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-08-02 17:39                     ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-02 20:20                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-08-02 20:44                         ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-02 21:21                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-08-02 21:49                             ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-03 18:45                               ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-08-16  7:45                                 ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-02 11:25                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2012-08-01  6:36           ` Chris Samuel
2012-08-01  6:40             ` Marc MERLIN
2012-08-01  8:18         ` du -s src is a lot slower on SSD than spinning disk in the same laptop Spelic
2012-08-16  7:50         ` Marc MERLIN
     [not found]           ` <502CC2A2.4010506@shiftmail.org>
2012-08-16 17:55             ` Marc MERLIN
2012-09-05 16:52               ` ext4 crash with 3.5.2 in ext4_ext_remove_space Marc MERLIN
2012-09-05 17:50                 ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-09-05 17:53                   ` Marc MERLIN
2012-09-06  4:24                   ` Marc MERLIN
2012-09-07 15:19                     ` Marc MERLIN
2012-09-07 15:39                       ` Lukáš Czerner
2012-09-07 15:51                         ` Marc MERLIN

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