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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	ctalbott@google.com, rni@google.com, andrea@betterlinux.com,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lsf@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jmoyer@redhat.com, lizefan@huawei.com,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf] [RFC] writeback and cgroup
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:16:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120410181631.GK21801@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH2r5mvLVnM3Se5vBBsYzwaz5Ckp3i6SVnGp2T0XaGe9_u8YYA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:23:16AM -0500, Steve French wrote:

[..]
> In the case of block device throttling - other than the file system
> internally using such APIs who would use block device specific
> throttling - only the file system knows where it wants to put hot data,
> and in the case of btrfs, doesn't the file system manage the
> storage pool.   The block device should be transparent to the
> user in the long run, and only the volume visible.

This is a good point. I guess this goes back to Jan's question of what's
the intended use case of absolute throttling. Having a dependency on 
per device limits has the drawback of user knowing exactly the details
of storage stack and it assumes that there is one single aggregation point
of block devices. (Which is not true in case of btrfs).

If user is simply looking for something like that I don't want a backup
process to be writing at more than 50MB/s (so that other processes doing
IO to same filesystem are effected less), then it is a case of global
throttling and per device throttling really does not gel well.

Thanks
Vivek

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	ctalbott@google.com, rni@google.com, andrea@betterlinux.com,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lsf@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jmoyer@redhat.com, lizefan@huawei.com,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf] [RFC] writeback and cgroup
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:16:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120410181631.GK21801@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH2r5mvLVnM3Se5vBBsYzwaz5Ckp3i6SVnGp2T0XaGe9_u8YYA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:23:16AM -0500, Steve French wrote:

[..]
> In the case of block device throttling - other than the file system
> internally using such APIs who would use block device specific
> throttling - only the file system knows where it wants to put hot data,
> and in the case of btrfs, doesn't the file system manage the
> storage pool.   The block device should be transparent to the
> user in the long run, and only the volume visible.

This is a good point. I guess this goes back to Jan's question of what's
the intended use case of absolute throttling. Having a dependency on 
per device limits has the drawback of user knowing exactly the details
of storage stack and it assumes that there is one single aggregation point
of block devices. (Which is not true in case of btrfs).

If user is simply looking for something like that I don't want a backup
process to be writing at more than 50MB/s (so that other processes doing
IO to same filesystem are effected less), then it is a case of global
throttling and per device throttling really does not gel well.

Thanks
Vivek

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-04-10 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 261+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-03 18:36 [RFC] writeback and cgroup Tejun Heo
2012-04-03 18:36 ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-03 18:36 ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 14:51 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 14:51   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 15:36   ` [Lsf] " Steve French
2012-04-04 15:36     ` Steve French
2012-04-04 15:36     ` Steve French
2012-04-04 18:56     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 18:56       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 19:19       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 19:19         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-25  8:47         ` Suresh Jayaraman
2012-04-25  8:47           ` Suresh Jayaraman
2012-04-25  8:47           ` Suresh Jayaraman
     [not found]         ` <20120404191918.GK12676-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25  8:47           ` Suresh Jayaraman
     [not found]       ` <20120404185605.GC29686-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 19:19         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <CAH2r5mtwQa0Uu=_Yd2JywVJXA=OMGV43X_OUfziC-yeVy9BGtQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 18:56       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 18:49   ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 18:49     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 18:49     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 19:23     ` [Lsf] " Steve French
2012-04-04 19:23       ` Steve French
     [not found]       ` <CAH2r5mvP56D0y4mk5wKrJcj+=OZ0e0Q5No_L+9a8a=GMcEhRew-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-14 12:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-14 12:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-14 12:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-14 12:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20120404184909.GB29686-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 19:23       ` Steve French
2012-04-04 20:32       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-05 16:38       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-14 11:53       ` [Lsf] " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-04 20:32     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 20:32       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]       ` <20120404203239.GM12676-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 23:02         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 23:02       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 23:02         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 23:02         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-05 16:38     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-05 16:38       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-05 16:38       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20120405163854.GE12854-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-05 17:13         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-05 17:13           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-05 17:13           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-14 11:53     ` [Lsf] " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-14 11:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-14 11:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-16  1:25       ` Steve French
     [not found]   ` <20120404145134.GC12676-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 15:36     ` Steve French
2012-04-04 18:49     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-07  8:00     ` Jan Kara
2012-04-07  8:00   ` Jan Kara
2012-04-07  8:00     ` Jan Kara
     [not found]     ` <20120407080027.GA2584-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-10 16:23       ` [Lsf] " Steve French
2012-04-10 18:06       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-10 16:23     ` [Lsf] " Steve French
2012-04-10 16:23       ` Steve French
2012-04-10 16:23       ` Steve French
     [not found]       ` <CAH2r5mvLVnM3Se5vBBsYzwaz5Ckp3i6SVnGp2T0XaGe9_u8YYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-10 18:16         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-10 18:16       ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2012-04-10 18:16         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-10 18:06     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-10 18:06       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]       ` <20120410180653.GJ21801-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-10 21:05         ` Jan Kara
2012-04-10 21:05           ` Jan Kara
2012-04-10 21:05           ` Jan Kara
     [not found]           ` <20120410210505.GE4936-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-10 21:20             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-10 21:20           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-10 21:20             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20120410212041.GP21801-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-10 22:24               ` Jan Kara
2012-04-10 22:24             ` Jan Kara
2012-04-10 22:24               ` Jan Kara
     [not found]               ` <20120410222425.GF4936-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-11 15:40                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-11 15:40                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-11 15:40                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-11 15:45                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-11 15:45                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20120411154531.GE16692-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-11 17:05                       ` Jan Kara
2012-04-11 17:05                     ` Jan Kara
2012-04-11 17:05                       ` Jan Kara
2012-04-11 17:23                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-11 17:23                         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20120411172311.GF16692-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-11 19:44                           ` Jan Kara
2012-04-11 19:44                             ` Jan Kara
2012-04-11 19:44                             ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                       ` <20120411170542.GB16008-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-11 17:23                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-17 21:48                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 21:48                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 21:48                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 21:48                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-18 18:18                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-18 18:18                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20120417214831.GE19975-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-18 18:18                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                   ` <20120411154005.GD16692-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-11 15:45                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-11 19:22                     ` Jan Kara
2012-04-14 12:25                     ` [Lsf] " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-11 19:22                   ` Jan Kara
2012-04-11 19:22                     ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                     ` <20120411192231.GF16008-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-12 20:37                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-12 20:37                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-12 20:37                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-12 20:51                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-12 20:51                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <20120412205148.GA24056-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-14 14:36                             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-14 14:36                               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-16 14:57                               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-16 14:57                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-24 11:33                                 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-24 11:33                                   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-24 14:56                                   ` Jan Kara
2012-04-24 14:56                                   ` Jan Kara
2012-04-24 14:56                                     ` Jan Kara
2012-04-24 14:56                                     ` Jan Kara
2012-04-24 15:58                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-24 15:58                                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                       ` <20120424155843.GG26708-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25  2:42                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25  2:42                                       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25  2:42                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25  2:42                                         ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]                                     ` <20120424145655.GA1474-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 15:58                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-25  3:16                                       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25  3:16                                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25  9:01                                         ` Jan Kara
2012-04-25  9:01                                           ` Jan Kara
2012-04-25  9:01                                           ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                           ` <20120425090156.GB12568-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-25 12:05                                             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25 12:05                                               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25  9:01                                         ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                 ` <20120416145744.GA15437-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 11:33                                   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-16 14:57                               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-15 11:37                         ` [Lsf] " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-15 11:37                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-15 11:37                           ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                         ` <20120412203719.GL2207-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-12 20:51                           ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-15 11:37                           ` [Lsf] " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-17 22:01                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 22:01                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 22:01                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 22:01                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-18  6:30                       ` Jan Kara
2012-04-18  6:30                         ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                       ` <20120417220106.GF19975-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-18  6:30                         ` Jan Kara
2012-04-14 12:25                   ` [Lsf] " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-14 12:25                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-14 12:25                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-16 12:54                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-16 12:54                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-16 12:54                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-16 13:07                       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-16 13:07                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-16 14:19                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-16 14:19                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-16 14:19                           ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-16 15:52                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-16 15:52                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-16 15:52                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                           ` <20120416155207.GB15437-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-17  2:14                             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-17  2:14                               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-17  2:14                               ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]                       ` <20120416125432.GB12776-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-16 13:07                         ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found] ` <20120403183655.GA23106-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 14:51   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 17:51   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-04 17:51     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-04 17:51     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-04 18:35     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 18:35       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]       ` <20120404183528.GJ12676-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 21:42         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-04 21:42           ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-04 21:42           ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-05 15:10           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-05 15:10             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20120405151026.GB23999-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-06  0:32               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-06  0:32             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-06  0:32               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-05 15:10           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 18:35     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 19:33     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 19:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-04 19:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-06  9:59       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-06  9:59         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-06  9:59         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-17 22:38         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 22:38         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 22:38           ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 22:38           ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-19 14:23           ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-19 14:23             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-19 14:23             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-19 18:31             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-19 18:31               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]               ` <20120419183118.GM10216-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-20 12:45                 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-20 12:45               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-20 12:45                 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-20 19:29                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-20 19:29                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-20 21:33                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-20 21:33                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-22 14:26                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-22 14:26                       ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]                     ` <20120420213301.GA29134-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-22 14:26                       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-23 12:30                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-23 12:30                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-23 12:30                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-23 16:04                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-23 16:04                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20120423123011.GA8103-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 16:04                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120420192930.GR22419-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-20 21:33                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-20 19:29                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-19 18:31             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-19 20:26             ` Jan Kara
2012-04-19 20:26               ` Jan Kara
2012-04-19 20:26               ` Jan Kara
2012-04-20 13:34               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-20 13:34                 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-20 19:08                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-20 19:08                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-20 19:08                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120420190844.GH32324-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-22 14:46                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-22 14:46                   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-22 14:46                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-22 14:46                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-23 16:56                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-23 16:56                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-23 16:56                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20120423165626.GB5406-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24  7:58                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-24  7:58                       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-24  7:58                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-25 15:47                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-25 15:47                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-25 15:47                           ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-23  9:14                 ` Jan Kara
2012-04-23  9:14                   ` Jan Kara
2012-04-23  9:14                   ` Jan Kara
2012-04-23 10:24                   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-23 10:24                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-23 12:42                     ` Jan Kara
2012-04-23 12:42                       ` Jan Kara
2012-04-23 14:31                       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-23 14:31                         ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]                       ` <20120423124240.GE6512-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 14:31                         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-23 12:42                     ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                   ` <20120423091432.GC6512-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-23 10:24                     ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]               ` <20120419202635.GA4795-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-20 13:34                 ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]           ` <20120417223854.GG19975-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-19 14:23             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-18  6:57         ` Jan Kara
2012-04-18  6:57           ` Jan Kara
2012-04-18  7:58           ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-18  7:58             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-18  7:58             ` Fengguang Wu
     [not found]           ` <20120418065720.GA21485-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-18  7:58             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-04-18  6:57         ` Jan Kara
     [not found]       ` <20120404193355.GD29686-RcKxWJ4Cfj1J2suj2OqeGauc2jM2gXBXkQQo+JxHRPFibQn6LdNjmg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-04 20:18         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 20:18           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-04 20:18           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-05 16:31           ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-05 16:31             ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-05 17:09             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-04-05 17:09               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20120405163113.GD12854-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-05 17:09               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]           ` <20120404201816.GL12676-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-05 16:31             ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-06  9:59         ` Fengguang Wu

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