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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Extended file stat system call
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:05:52 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120426220552.D98D62C0D3@topped-with-meat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: David Howells's message of  Thursday, 26 April 2012 22:57:56 +0100 <10104.1335477476-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

> What if the xstat() and struct xstat eventually becomes what userspace
> uses as stat() (as a wrapper) and struct stat (if such a thing is
> possible with glibc versioning)?  

It's certainly possible with symbol versioning, though it seems much more
likely that we'd stick with the existing struct stat and stat* interfaces
and only have the implementation using statx underneath (e.g. for new
machines or kernel ABIs where the kernel stops providing any calls except
for statxat), at least for the foreseeable future.

> Do older programs that think they're using stat() and don't know about
> the extra fields available expect to see a useful value in st_ino?

POSIX requires that st_ino have a useful value for the standard *stat calls.


Thanks,
Roland

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From: Roland McGrath <roland@hack.frob.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: "Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Extended file stat system call
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:05:52 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120426220552.D98D62C0D3@topped-with-meat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: David Howells's message of  Thursday, 26 April 2012 22:57:56 +0100 <10104.1335477476@redhat.com>

> What if the xstat() and struct xstat eventually becomes what userspace
> uses as stat() (as a wrapper) and struct stat (if such a thing is
> possible with glibc versioning)?  

It's certainly possible with symbol versioning, though it seems much more
likely that we'd stick with the existing struct stat and stat* interfaces
and only have the implementation using statx underneath (e.g. for new
machines or kernel ABIs where the kernel stops providing any calls except
for statxat), at least for the foreseeable future.

> Do older programs that think they're using stat() and don't know about
> the extra fields available expect to see a useful value in st_ino?

POSIX requires that st_ino have a useful value for the standard *stat calls.


Thanks,
Roland

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-04-26 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-19 14:05 [PATCH 0/6] Extended file stat system call David Howells
2012-04-19 14:05 ` David Howells
2012-04-19 14:06 ` [PATCH 3/6] xstat: AFS: Return extended attributes David Howells
2012-04-19 14:06 ` [PATCH 4/6] xstat: NFS: " David Howells
     [not found]   ` <20120419140653.17272.95035.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-19 14:35     ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-19 14:35       ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-26 13:52   ` David Howells
2012-04-19 14:07 ` [PATCH 5/6] xstat: CIFS: " David Howells
     [not found]   ` <20120419140706.17272.72290.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-19 15:19     ` Steve French
2012-04-19 15:19       ` Steve French
2012-04-19 16:32 ` [PATCH 0/6] Extended file stat system call Roland McGrath
2012-04-19 21:51   ` Paul Eggert
2012-04-19 23:05     ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-26 14:16     ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <20173.1335449760-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 18:22         ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-26 18:22           ` Roland McGrath
     [not found]   ` <4F9088D6.9020203-764C0pRuGfqVc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 14:04     ` David Howells
2012-04-26 14:04       ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <19638.1335449047-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 18:24         ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-26 18:24           ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-19 23:29 ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-26 13:54 ` David Howells
     [not found]   ` <19184.1335448455-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 18:25     ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-26 18:25       ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-27 23:54       ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]   ` <20120426182524.E5ADF2C0EC-j1d2VQoJOwwHfwO+Tb3JRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 21:54     ` David Howells
2012-04-26 21:54       ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <9931.1335477281-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 22:02         ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-26 22:02           ` Roland McGrath
2012-04-26 22:21           ` Nix
2012-04-26 14:25 ` David Howells
2012-04-26 14:54   ` Steve French
     [not found]     ` <CAH2r5mv1Lijdwk5zsQwYJr4Etb6fhrRyNXm-iFCQX+HecboGrQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 15:25       ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-26 15:25         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-26 16:56         ` Steve French
2012-04-26 16:56           ` Steve French
     [not found]           ` <CAH2r5mt5af-_hxBRKK72iD5Gr99bo91ec78Rov8EGVEx8=21mA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 17:00             ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-26 17:00               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-26 17:03               ` Steve French
2012-04-26 17:03                 ` Steve French
     [not found]                 ` <CAH2r5mvmCfLrxRHje6Wx5X84zxPEHwRMUJGsjvWBujMu7w841w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 17:06                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-26 17:06                     ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                     ` <1335460011.9701.30.camel-SyLVLa/KEI9HwK5hSS5vWB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 17:09                       ` Steve French
2012-04-26 17:09                         ` Steve French
     [not found]                         ` <CAH2r5muXk+frkFz9X523Ny=RMwJGeqOPH75G1ToNa5QoMo5SkQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 17:10                           ` Steve French
2012-04-26 17:10                             ` Steve French
2012-04-26 21:57                       ` David Howells
2012-04-26 21:57                         ` David Howells
     [not found]                         ` <10104.1335477476-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 22:05                           ` Roland McGrath [this message]
2012-04-26 22:05                             ` Roland McGrath
     [not found]                             ` <20120426220552.D98D62C0D3-j1d2VQoJOwwHfwO+Tb3JRVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-27  0:33                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-27  0:33                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-27  0:30                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-27  0:30                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-26 15:52   ` David Howells
2012-04-27  0:29     ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-27  0:29       ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]     ` <3F302713-B675-4BAA-B2B7-235E03C5975F-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-27  9:19       ` David Howells
2012-04-27  9:19         ` David Howells
     [not found] ` <20120419140558.17272.74360.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-19 14:06   ` [PATCH 1/6] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended file stats available David Howells
2012-04-19 14:06     ` David Howells
2012-04-19 23:36     ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]     ` <20120419140612.17272.57774.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 21:29       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-24 21:29         ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]         ` <20120424212911.GA26073-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-24 22:08           ` Steve French
2012-04-24 22:08             ` Steve French
2012-04-25 14:44           ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-25 14:44             ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-26 13:45         ` David Howells
     [not found]           ` <18765.1335447954-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 14:28             ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-26 14:28               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-26 17:06               ` Steve French
2012-04-26 17:06                 ` Steve French
2012-04-26 13:32     ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <18195.1335447156-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-27  0:51         ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-27  0:51           ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-27  3:11           ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-27  3:11             ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-26 13:40     ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <18533.1335447617-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-26 14:23         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-26 14:23           ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-30 16:27       ` Ben Hutchings
2012-04-30 20:15         ` David Howells
2012-04-30 20:30           ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-30 23:31             ` Ben Hutchings
2012-04-19 14:06   ` [PATCH 2/6] xstat: Ext4: Return extended attributes David Howells
2012-04-19 14:06     ` David Howells
     [not found]     ` <20120419140625.17272.23303.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-19 16:03       ` Steve French
2012-04-19 16:03         ` Steve French
2012-04-26 13:47     ` David Howells
2012-04-26 17:00       ` Steve French
2012-04-26 17:00         ` Steve French
2012-04-19 14:07   ` [PATCH 6/6] xstat: eCryptFS: " David Howells
2012-04-19 14:07     ` David Howells
2012-04-19 17:11   ` [PATCH 0/6] Extended file stat system call Steve French
2012-04-19 17:11     ` Steve French
2012-04-27  1:06   ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-27  1:06     ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-27  3:22     ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]       ` <ED5B8F1B-6C99-4516-85FA-A767E94B635F-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-28  0:38         ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-28  0:38           ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-28  0:54           ` Steve French
2012-05-08 20:19   ` Extended file stat: Splitting file- and fs-specific info? David Howells
2012-05-08 20:19     ` David Howells
2012-05-08 21:13     ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-05-08 21:13       ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]     ` <16281.1336508382-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-09  0:24       ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-09  0:24         ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-09  1:09         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-09  1:09           ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-09  4:25           ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-09 11:14             ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-09 11:14               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-05-09  1:16         ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-09  1:16           ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-10  9:23         ` David Howells
     [not found]           ` <14477.1336641794-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-10 16:05             ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-10 16:05               ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-10 17:10             ` Roland McGrath
2012-05-10 17:10               ` Roland McGrath
2012-05-11  8:54               ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-09  9:21     ` David Howells
2012-05-09  9:21       ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <20170.1336555274-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-09 11:19         ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-05-09 11:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]           ` <20120509111958.GA11345-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-09 11:55             ` Bernd Schubert
2012-05-09 11:55               ` Bernd Schubert
     [not found]               ` <4FAA5B24.1020306-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-09 12:05                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-05-09 12:05                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                   ` <20120509120544.GA17535-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-09 12:25                     ` Bernd Schubert
2012-05-09 12:25                       ` Bernd Schubert
2012-05-09 13:51                       ` Andreas Dilger
2012-05-09 14:12                         ` Bernd Schubert
2012-05-10  9:14     ` David Howells
2012-05-10  9:14       ` David Howells
2012-04-27  9:39 ` [PATCH 0/6] Extended file stat system call David Howells
     [not found]   ` <4111.1335519545-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-27 13:13     ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-27 13:13       ` Dave Chinner
2012-04-27 15:10       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]         ` <20120427151057.GA16580-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-27 16:32           ` Steve French
2012-04-27 16:32             ` Steve French
2012-04-27 19:31       ` Andreas Dilger
2012-04-28  0:58         ` Dave Chinner
2012-05-10  9:51         ` David Howells

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