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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/6] arm, mm: Convert arm to generic tlb
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:14:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120517121459.GA18593@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1337254086.4281.26.camel@twins>

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:28:06PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-17 at 10:51 +0100, Russell King wrote:
> > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:30:23AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > Another minor thing is that on newer ARM processors (Cortex-A15) we
> > > need the TLB shootdown even on UP systems, so tlb_fast_mode should
> > > always return 0. Something like below (untested):
> > 
> > No Catalin, we need this for virtually all ARMv7 CPUs whether they're UP
> > or SMP, not just for A15, because of the speculative prefetch which can
> > re-load TLB entries from the page tables at _any_ time.
> 
> Hmm,. so this is mostly because of the confusion/coupling between
> tlb_remove_page() and tlb_remove_table() I guess. Since I don't see the
> freeing of the actual pages being a problem with speculative TLB
> reloads, just the page-tables.

The TLB on newer ARM cores can cache intermediate entries (e.g. pmd) as
long as they are valid, even if the full translation is not possible
(e.g. because the pte entry is 0). With fast_mode, this could lead to
the MMU reading the already freed pte page as it was pointed at by the
old pmd.

Older ARMv7 CPUs (Cortex-A8), don't do this intermediate caching and UP
should be fine with fast_mode==1 as we already track the pte range via
tlb_remove_tlb_entry(). The MMU on ARM is treated like any another agent
that accesses the memory, so standard memory ordering issues apply In
theory Linux can clear the pmd, free the page and it is re-used shortly
after while the MMU hasn't observed the pmd_clear() yet (we don't have a
barrier in this function).

> Should we introduce a tlb_remove_table() regardless of
> HAVE_RCU_TABLE_FREE which always queues the tables regardless of
> tlb_fast_mode()? 

This would probably work as well (or we just add support for
HAVE_RCU_TABLE_FREE on ARM).

-- 
Catalin

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 4/6] arm, mm: Convert arm to generic tlb
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:14:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120517121459.GA18593@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1337254086.4281.26.camel@twins>

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:28:06PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-17 at 10:51 +0100, Russell King wrote:
> > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:30:23AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > Another minor thing is that on newer ARM processors (Cortex-A15) we
> > > need the TLB shootdown even on UP systems, so tlb_fast_mode should
> > > always return 0. Something like below (untested):
> > 
> > No Catalin, we need this for virtually all ARMv7 CPUs whether they're UP
> > or SMP, not just for A15, because of the speculative prefetch which can
> > re-load TLB entries from the page tables at _any_ time.
> 
> Hmm,. so this is mostly because of the confusion/coupling between
> tlb_remove_page() and tlb_remove_table() I guess. Since I don't see the
> freeing of the actual pages being a problem with speculative TLB
> reloads, just the page-tables.

The TLB on newer ARM cores can cache intermediate entries (e.g. pmd) as
long as they are valid, even if the full translation is not possible
(e.g. because the pte entry is 0). With fast_mode, this could lead to
the MMU reading the already freed pte page as it was pointed at by the
old pmd.

Older ARMv7 CPUs (Cortex-A8), don't do this intermediate caching and UP
should be fine with fast_mode==1 as we already track the pte range via
tlb_remove_tlb_entry(). The MMU on ARM is treated like any another agent
that accesses the memory, so standard memory ordering issues apply In
theory Linux can clear the pmd, free the page and it is re-used shortly
after while the MMU hasn't observed the pmd_clear() yet (we don't have a
barrier in this function).

> Should we introduce a tlb_remove_table() regardless of
> HAVE_RCU_TABLE_FREE which always queues the tables regardless of
> tlb_fast_mode()? 

This would probably work as well (or we just add support for
HAVE_RCU_TABLE_FREE on ARM).

-- 
Catalin

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-17 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-02 17:59 [RFC][PATCH 0/6] mm: Unify TLB gather implementations Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/6] mm: Optimize fullmm TLB flushing Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/6] mm: Change flush_tlb_range() to take an mm_struct Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 19:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-02 19:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-02 20:58     ` Rik van Riel
2011-03-02 20:58       ` Rik van Riel
2011-03-02 21:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 21:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 21:47       ` David Miller
2011-03-02 21:47         ` David Miller
2011-03-03 17:22         ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-03 17:22           ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-03 17:22           ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-03 18:45           ` David Miller
2011-03-03 18:45             ` David Miller
2011-03-03 18:56             ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-03 18:56               ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-03 18:56               ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-10 18:05           ` [PATCH] arch/tile: optimize icache flush Chris Metcalf
2011-03-10 18:05             ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-10 18:05             ` Chris Metcalf
2011-03-10 23:19             ` Rik van Riel
2011-03-10 23:19               ` Rik van Riel
2011-03-02 17:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/6] mm: Provide generic range tracking and flushing Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/6] arm, mm: Convert arm to generic tlb Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-09 15:16   ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-09 15:16     ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-09 15:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-09 15:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-09 15:36       ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-09 15:36         ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-09 15:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-09 15:39           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-09 15:48           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-09 15:48             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-09 16:34             ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-09 16:34               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17  3:05   ` Paul Mundt
2012-05-17  3:05     ` Paul Mundt
2012-05-17  9:30     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17  9:30       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17  9:39       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17  9:39         ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17  9:51       ` Russell King
2012-05-17  9:51         ` Russell King
2012-05-17 11:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 11:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 12:14           ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2012-05-17 12:14             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17 16:00           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17 16:00             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17 16:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 16:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 16:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 16:33                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 16:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 16:44                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 16:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 16:59                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 17:01                   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17 17:01                     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17 17:11                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-17 17:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-21  7:47               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-05-21  7:47                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-05-17 17:22             ` Russell King
2012-05-17 17:22               ` Russell King
2012-05-17 18:31               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-05-17 18:31                 ` Catalin Marinas
2011-03-02 17:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/6] ia64, mm: Convert ia64 " Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/6] sh, mm: Convert sh " Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-02 17:59   ` Peter Zijlstra

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