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From: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
Cc: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Sylwester Nawrocki <sylvester.nawrocki@gmail.com>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/14] media: add V4L2 DT binding documentation
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:21:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121010092115.GW27665@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121010085124.GJ17288@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:51:27PM +0900, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:40:06AM +0200, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> 
> > Mark, when do we get the same for aSoC? ;)
> 
> Well, I'm unlikely to work on it as I don't have any systems which can
> boot with device tree.

If it's only that I'm sure we could spare a i.MX53 LOCO ;)

> 
> The big, big problem you've got doing this is lots of dynamic changes at 
> runtime and in general complicated systems.  It's trivial to describe
> the physical links but they don't provide anything like enough
> information to use things.  Quite frankly I'm not sure device tree is a
> useful investment of time for advanced audio systems anyway, it's really
> not solving any problems people actually have.

Right now the i.MX audmux binding is only enough to say which ports
should be connected, but not which format should be used. Just today
we had the problem where a codec has two DAIs and wanted to add the
information on which port our SSI unit is connected to the devicetree.

So I think it's worthwile to do, but that would be a big big task...

Sascha

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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
Cc: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Sylwester Nawrocki <sylvester.nawrocki@gmail.com>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/14] media: add V4L2 DT binding documentation
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:21:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121010092115.GW27665@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121010085124.GJ17288@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:51:27PM +0900, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:40:06AM +0200, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> 
> > Mark, when do we get the same for aSoC? ;)
> 
> Well, I'm unlikely to work on it as I don't have any systems which can
> boot with device tree.

If it's only that I'm sure we could spare a i.MX53 LOCO ;)

> 
> The big, big problem you've got doing this is lots of dynamic changes at 
> runtime and in general complicated systems.  It's trivial to describe
> the physical links but they don't provide anything like enough
> information to use things.  Quite frankly I'm not sure device tree is a
> useful investment of time for advanced audio systems anyway, it's really
> not solving any problems people actually have.

Right now the i.MX audmux binding is only enough to say which ports
should be connected, but not which format should be used. Just today
we had the problem where a codec has two DAIs and wanted to add the
information on which port our SSI unit is connected to the devicetree.

So I think it's worthwile to do, but that would be a big big task...

Sascha

-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |
Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0    |
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-10  9:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-27 14:07 [PATCH 00/14] V4L2 DT support Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 01/14] i2c: add dummy inline functions for when CONFIG_OF_I2C(_MODULE) isn't defined Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 02/14] of: add a dummy inline function for when CONFIG_OF is not defined Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-28 11:05   ` [PATCH 15/14] OF: define of_*_cmp() macros also if CONFIG_OF isn't set Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-28 11:05     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 04/14] media: add V4L2 DT binding documentation Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-01 20:45   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-01 20:45     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
     [not found]   ` <1348754853-28619-5-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-02 14:15     ` Rob Herring
2012-10-02 14:15       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-02 14:15       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-02 14:33       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-02 14:33         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-03 20:54         ` Rob Herring
2012-10-03 20:54           ` Rob Herring
2012-10-05  9:43           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05  9:43             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:31             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:31               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:37               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:37                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 20:00         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-08 20:00           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-08 20:59           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:00             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:14             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 21:14               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 21:14               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-09  9:21               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-09  9:21                 ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-09  9:29                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-09  9:29                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 15:10     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 15:10       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 15:10       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 15:41       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 15:41         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 16:02         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 16:02           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-08  7:58           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  7:58             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10  8:40             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10  8:40               ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10  8:51               ` Mark Brown
2012-10-10  8:51                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-10  9:21                 ` Sascha Hauer [this message]
2012-10-10  9:21                   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10 10:46                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-10 10:46                     ` Mark Brown
2012-10-08 20:12   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-08 20:12     ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 05/14] media: add a V4L2 OF parser Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-01 21:37   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-01 21:37     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02  9:49     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-02  9:49       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210021142210.15778-0199iw4Nj15frtckUFj5Ag@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-02 10:13         ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 10:13           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 10:13           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 11:04           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-02 11:04             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 10:41           ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 10:41             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 10:58             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 10:58               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:23               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:23                 ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:35                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:35                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 12:23                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 12:23                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 13:48                   ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 13:48                     ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 14:30                     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 14:30                       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 14:53                       ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 14:53                         ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:15                         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 15:15                           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 15:41                           ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:41                             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:53                             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 15:53                               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found]                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210081748390.14454-0199iw4Nj15frtckUFj5Ag@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-08 16:00                                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 16:00                                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 16:00                                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 13:22                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:22                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:18                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:18                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 16:50                             ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 16:50                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 22:51                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 22:51                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-11 16:15                                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-11 16:15                                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 13:12                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:12                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 12:54                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 12:54                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:45                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 13:45                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 14:48                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 14:48                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 14:57                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 14:57                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 15:15                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 15:15                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-11 19:48                   ` Sakari Ailus
2012-10-11 19:48                     ` Sakari Ailus
2012-10-13  0:16                     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-13  0:16                       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 18:30               ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 18:30                 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 18:45                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-05 18:45                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-08  9:40                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  9:40                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-09 10:34                   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-09 10:34                     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-09 11:00                     ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-09 11:00                       ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-10 13:25                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:25                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 20:23                         ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 20:23                           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 20:32                           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 20:32                             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 21:12                             ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 21:12                               ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 23:05                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 23:05                               ` Laurent Pinchart
     [not found]                           ` <5075D947.3080903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 22:58                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 22:58                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 22:58                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:30               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:30                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 10:03   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-08 10:03     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 06/14] media: soc-camera: prepare for asynchronous client probing Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 07/14] media: soc-camera: support deferred probing of clients Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 10:38   ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 10:38     ` Barry Song
     [not found]     ` <CAGsJ_4yUY6PE0NWZ9yaOLFmRb3O-HL55=w7Y6muwL0YbkJtP0Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-10 12:06       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 12:06         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 12:06         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 13:53         ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 13:53           ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 13:56           ` Mark Brown
2013-04-10 13:56             ` Mark Brown
2013-04-10 14:00             ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:00               ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:03           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 14:03             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 14:30             ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:30               ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:43               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 14:43                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 15:02                 ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 15:02                   ` Barry Song
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 08/14] media: soc-camera: use managed devm_regulator_bulk_get() Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 17:38   ` Sachin Kamat
2012-09-27 17:50     ` Sachin Kamat
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 09/14] media: mt9t112: support deferred probing Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found] ` <1348754853-28619-1-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-27 14:07   ` [PATCH 03/14] OF: make a function pointer argument const Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` [PATCH 10/14] media: soc-camera: support OF cameras Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 19:11     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 19:11       ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-08  8:37       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  8:37         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  9:28         ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-08  9:28           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2013-04-08  9:19     ` Barry Song
2013-04-08  9:19       ` Barry Song
     [not found]       ` <CAGsJ_4zYvF-U0_ETs9EP8i+bOJiJLkXWrJdMNnW_sXU-QwnXQw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 11:21         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-08 11:21           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-08 11:21           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-08 11:49           ` Barry Song
2013-04-08 11:49             ` Barry Song
2012-09-27 14:07   ` [PATCH 11/14] media: sh-mobile-ceu-camera: runtime PM suspending doesn't have to be synchronous Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 12/14] media: sh-mobile-ceu-camera: add primitive OF support Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 13/14] media: sh-mobile-ceu-driver: support max width and height in DT Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 14/14] media: sh_mobile_ceu_camera: support all standard V4L2 DT properties Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 12:32 ` [PATCH 00/14] V4L2 DT support Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 12:32   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 14:41   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 14:41     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski

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