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From: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Sylwester Nawrocki <sylvester.nawrocki@gmail.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/14] media: add V4L2 DT binding documentation
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:29:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210091129200.21518@axis700.grange> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201210091121.23683.hverkuil@xs4all.nl>

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Hans Verkuil wrote:

> On Mon 8 October 2012 23:14:01 Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > 
> > > On Monday 08 October 2012 14:00:38 Stephen Warren wrote:
> > > > On 10/02/2012 08:33 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > > >> On 09/27/2012 09:07 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > > > >>> This patch adds a document, describing common V4L2 device tree bindings.
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/v4l2.txt
> > > > >>> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/v4l2.txt>> 
> > > > >> One other comment below:
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +General concept
> > > > >>> +---------------
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +Video pipelines consist of external devices, e.g. camera sensors,
> > > > >>> controlled +over an I2C, SPI or UART bus, and SoC internal IP blocks,
> > > > >>> including video DMA +engines and video data processors.
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +SoC internal blocks are described by DT nodes, placed similarly to
> > > > >>> other SoC +blocks. External devices are represented as child nodes of
> > > > >>> their respective bus +controller nodes, e.g. I2C.
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +Data interfaces on all video devices are described by "port" child DT
> > > > >>> nodes. +Configuration of a port depends on other devices participating
> > > > >>> in the data +transfer and is described by "link" DT nodes, specified as
> > > > >>> children of the +"port" nodes:
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +/foo {
> > > > >>> +	port@0 {
> > > > >>> +		link@0 { ... };
> > > > >>> +		link@1 { ... };
> > > > >>> +	};
> > > > >>> +	port@1 { ... };
> > > > >>> +};
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +If a port can be configured to work with more than one other device on
> > > > >>> the same +bus, a "link" child DT node must be provided for each of
> > > > >>> them. If more than one +port is present on a device or more than one
> > > > >>> link is connected to a port, a +common scheme, using "#address-cells,"
> > > > >>> "#size-cells" and "reg" properties is +used.
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +Optional link properties:
> > > > >>> +- remote: phandle to the other endpoint link DT node.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> This name is a little vague. Perhaps "endpoint" would be better.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "endpoint" can also refer to something local like in USB case. Maybe
> > > > > rather the description of the "remote" property should be improved?
> > > > 
> > > > The documentation doesn't show up in all the .dts files that use it; it
> > > > might be useful to try and make the .dts file as obviously readable as
> > > > possible.
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps "remote-port" or "connected-port" would be sufficiently descriptive.
> > > 
> > > I like remote-port better than the already proposed remote-link.
> > 
> > Yes, remote-port sounds better, than remote-link, but might be more 
> > difficult to correlate with the fact, that the phandle value of this 
> > property points to a link DT node, and not to a port.
> 
> I first thought of remote-port as well, but it is just weird that it points to
> a link node.
> 
> I seem to remember that 'link' was called 'pad' initially, but people didn't
> like that due to possible confusion with other meanings of that word.
> 
> The problem with the word 'link' is that it doesn't describe a link but just
> one endpoint of a link.
> 
> Is it an idea to rename 'link' to 'endpoint' and 'remote' to 'remote-endpoint'?
> 
> So a port has endpoints, and each endpoint has a remote-endpoint property.

I'm fine with that.

Thanks
Guennadi

> Regards,
> 
> 	Hans

---
Guennadi Liakhovetski, Ph.D.
Freelance Open-Source Software Developer
http://www.open-technology.de/

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From: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
	Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Sylwester Nawrocki <sylvester.nawrocki@gmail.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/14] media: add V4L2 DT binding documentation
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:29:40 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210091129200.21518@axis700.grange> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201210091121.23683.hverkuil@xs4all.nl>

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Hans Verkuil wrote:

> On Mon 8 October 2012 23:14:01 Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > 
> > > On Monday 08 October 2012 14:00:38 Stephen Warren wrote:
> > > > On 10/02/2012 08:33 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > > >> On 09/27/2012 09:07 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > > > >>> This patch adds a document, describing common V4L2 device tree bindings.
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/v4l2.txt
> > > > >>> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/v4l2.txt>> 
> > > > >> One other comment below:
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +General concept
> > > > >>> +---------------
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +Video pipelines consist of external devices, e.g. camera sensors,
> > > > >>> controlled +over an I2C, SPI or UART bus, and SoC internal IP blocks,
> > > > >>> including video DMA +engines and video data processors.
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +SoC internal blocks are described by DT nodes, placed similarly to
> > > > >>> other SoC +blocks. External devices are represented as child nodes of
> > > > >>> their respective bus +controller nodes, e.g. I2C.
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +Data interfaces on all video devices are described by "port" child DT
> > > > >>> nodes. +Configuration of a port depends on other devices participating
> > > > >>> in the data +transfer and is described by "link" DT nodes, specified as
> > > > >>> children of the +"port" nodes:
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +/foo {
> > > > >>> +	port@0 {
> > > > >>> +		link@0 { ... };
> > > > >>> +		link@1 { ... };
> > > > >>> +	};
> > > > >>> +	port@1 { ... };
> > > > >>> +};
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +If a port can be configured to work with more than one other device on
> > > > >>> the same +bus, a "link" child DT node must be provided for each of
> > > > >>> them. If more than one +port is present on a device or more than one
> > > > >>> link is connected to a port, a +common scheme, using "#address-cells,"
> > > > >>> "#size-cells" and "reg" properties is +used.
> > > > >>> +
> > > > >>> +Optional link properties:
> > > > >>> +- remote: phandle to the other endpoint link DT node.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> This name is a little vague. Perhaps "endpoint" would be better.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "endpoint" can also refer to something local like in USB case. Maybe
> > > > > rather the description of the "remote" property should be improved?
> > > > 
> > > > The documentation doesn't show up in all the .dts files that use it; it
> > > > might be useful to try and make the .dts file as obviously readable as
> > > > possible.
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps "remote-port" or "connected-port" would be sufficiently descriptive.
> > > 
> > > I like remote-port better than the already proposed remote-link.
> > 
> > Yes, remote-port sounds better, than remote-link, but might be more 
> > difficult to correlate with the fact, that the phandle value of this 
> > property points to a link DT node, and not to a port.
> 
> I first thought of remote-port as well, but it is just weird that it points to
> a link node.
> 
> I seem to remember that 'link' was called 'pad' initially, but people didn't
> like that due to possible confusion with other meanings of that word.
> 
> The problem with the word 'link' is that it doesn't describe a link but just
> one endpoint of a link.
> 
> Is it an idea to rename 'link' to 'endpoint' and 'remote' to 'remote-endpoint'?
> 
> So a port has endpoints, and each endpoint has a remote-endpoint property.

I'm fine with that.

Thanks
Guennadi

> Regards,
> 
> 	Hans

---
Guennadi Liakhovetski, Ph.D.
Freelance Open-Source Software Developer
http://www.open-technology.de/

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-09  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-27 14:07 [PATCH 00/14] V4L2 DT support Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 01/14] i2c: add dummy inline functions for when CONFIG_OF_I2C(_MODULE) isn't defined Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 02/14] of: add a dummy inline function for when CONFIG_OF is not defined Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-28 11:05   ` [PATCH 15/14] OF: define of_*_cmp() macros also if CONFIG_OF isn't set Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-28 11:05     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 04/14] media: add V4L2 DT binding documentation Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-01 20:45   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-01 20:45     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
     [not found]   ` <1348754853-28619-5-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-02 14:15     ` Rob Herring
2012-10-02 14:15       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-02 14:15       ` Rob Herring
2012-10-02 14:33       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-02 14:33         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-03 20:54         ` Rob Herring
2012-10-03 20:54           ` Rob Herring
2012-10-05  9:43           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05  9:43             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:31             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:31               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:37               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:37                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 20:00         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-08 20:00           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-08 20:59           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:00             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:14             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 21:14               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 21:14               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-09  9:21               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-09  9:21                 ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-09  9:29                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski [this message]
2012-10-09  9:29                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 15:10     ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 15:10       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 15:10       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 15:41       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 15:41         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 16:02         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-05 16:02           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-08  7:58           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  7:58             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10  8:40             ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10  8:40               ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10  8:51               ` Mark Brown
2012-10-10  8:51                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-10  9:21                 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10  9:21                   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-10-10 10:46                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-10 10:46                     ` Mark Brown
2012-10-08 20:12   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-08 20:12     ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 05/14] media: add a V4L2 OF parser Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-01 21:37   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-01 21:37     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02  9:49     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-02  9:49       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210021142210.15778-0199iw4Nj15frtckUFj5Ag@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-02 10:13         ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 10:13           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 10:13           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-02 11:04           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-02 11:04             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 10:41           ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 10:41             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 10:58             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 10:58               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:23               ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:23                 ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-05 11:35                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 11:35                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 12:23                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 12:23                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 13:48                   ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 13:48                     ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 14:30                     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 14:30                       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 14:53                       ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 14:53                         ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:15                         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 15:15                           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 15:41                           ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:41                             ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-08 15:53                             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 15:53                               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found]                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210081748390.14454-0199iw4Nj15frtckUFj5Ag@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-08 16:00                                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 16:00                                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08 16:00                                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 13:22                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:22                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:18                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:18                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 16:50                             ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 16:50                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 22:51                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 22:51                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-11 16:15                                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-11 16:15                                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 13:12                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:12                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 12:54                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 12:54                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:45                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 13:45                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 14:48                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 14:48                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 14:57                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 14:57                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-10 15:15                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 15:15                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-11 19:48                   ` Sakari Ailus
2012-10-11 19:48                     ` Sakari Ailus
2012-10-13  0:16                     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-13  0:16                       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 18:30               ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 18:30                 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 18:45                 ` Mark Brown
2012-10-05 18:45                   ` Mark Brown
2012-10-08  9:40                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  9:40                   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-09 10:34                   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-09 10:34                     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-09 11:00                     ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-09 11:00                       ` Hans Verkuil
2012-10-10 13:25                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 13:25                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 20:23                         ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 20:23                           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 20:32                           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 20:32                             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-10 21:12                             ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 21:12                               ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-10 23:05                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 23:05                               ` Laurent Pinchart
     [not found]                           ` <5075D947.3080903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 22:58                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 22:58                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-10 22:58                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:30               ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 21:30                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-10-08 10:03   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-08 10:03     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 06/14] media: soc-camera: prepare for asynchronous client probing Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 07/14] media: soc-camera: support deferred probing of clients Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 10:38   ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 10:38     ` Barry Song
     [not found]     ` <CAGsJ_4yUY6PE0NWZ9yaOLFmRb3O-HL55=w7Y6muwL0YbkJtP0Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-10 12:06       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 12:06         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 12:06         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 13:53         ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 13:53           ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 13:56           ` Mark Brown
2013-04-10 13:56             ` Mark Brown
2013-04-10 14:00             ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:00               ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:03           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 14:03             ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 14:30             ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:30               ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 14:43               ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 14:43                 ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-10 15:02                 ` Barry Song
2013-04-10 15:02                   ` Barry Song
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 08/14] media: soc-camera: use managed devm_regulator_bulk_get() Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 17:38   ` Sachin Kamat
2012-09-27 17:50     ` Sachin Kamat
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 09/14] media: mt9t112: support deferred probing Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
     [not found] ` <1348754853-28619-1-git-send-email-g.liakhovetski-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-27 14:07   ` [PATCH 03/14] OF: make a function pointer argument const Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` [PATCH 10/14] media: soc-camera: support OF cameras Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 19:11     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 19:11       ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-08  8:37       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  8:37         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-08  9:28         ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-08  9:28           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2013-04-08  9:19     ` Barry Song
2013-04-08  9:19       ` Barry Song
     [not found]       ` <CAGsJ_4zYvF-U0_ETs9EP8i+bOJiJLkXWrJdMNnW_sXU-QwnXQw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 11:21         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-08 11:21           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-08 11:21           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2013-04-08 11:49           ` Barry Song
2013-04-08 11:49             ` Barry Song
2012-09-27 14:07   ` [PATCH 11/14] media: sh-mobile-ceu-camera: runtime PM suspending doesn't have to be synchronous Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 12/14] media: sh-mobile-ceu-camera: add primitive OF support Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 13/14] media: sh-mobile-ceu-driver: support max width and height in DT Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07 ` [PATCH 14/14] media: sh_mobile_ceu_camera: support all standard V4L2 DT properties Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-09-27 14:07   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 12:32 ` [PATCH 00/14] V4L2 DT support Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 12:32   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2012-10-05 14:41   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-10-05 14:41     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski

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